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On 2 July 2014, it was proposed that this article be moved from Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu to Taumata. The result of the discussion was Not moved.

On 10 September 2015, it was proposed that this article be moved from Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu to Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu. The result of the discussion was Moved.

On 24 February 2020, it was proposed that this article be moved from Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu to Taumata (hill). The result of the discussion was Consensus to not move.

Requested move 24 February 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. The noes have it. (closed by non-admin page mover) OhKayeSierra (talk) 14:42, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu → Taumata (hill) – This title is too long. It fills up the address bar and may cause formatting problems on mobile and desktop. A a s i m 23:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Wikipedia:Article titles tells us how articles are to be named. It is strongly guided by the concept that we call common name and the existing article title represents the common name. There isn't anything on that page about the kind of technical difficulties the proposer is talking about. The case for a page move has not been made. Schwede 66 23:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Even then, per WP:CONCISE, titles should be the shortest title to search the subject. So that village in Wales has an article title of Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, not Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch. So... the title may need to be shortened to Taumata (hill), but for a different reason mentioned in the title policy.:) A a s i m 02:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, this is the common name, used in the sources, and the name is the reason for its notability. Note that there were similar proposals to change the article title in 2014, which failed. See /Archive 1.-gadfium 03:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)o[reply]
Oppose per above and per common name (I hear it in conversation all the time). Randy Kryn (talk) 03:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, what I hear in regular conversation is "That hill with the very long name somewhere in the south of the North Island, which I visited in 20xx when I was ...", but I'm not suggesting we move the article to that title. For me, the last time I visited the site was nine days ago, when I was ....-gadfium 17:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Randy Kryn (and others as well, but mainly because I wanted to {{ping}} Randy and say "hi!" following a contentious MfD for Portal:Painting I originally closed as "keep," but re-opened following a request from another participant). This is a good case where we need to ignore WP:CONCISE and/or WP:COMMONNAME and invoke WP:IAR. So, call this a strong oppose per WP:IAR. Doug Mehus T·C 02:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Dmehus, and may the winds, fine food, and rustic music of Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu be at your back and guide you into a weekend of editing and good cheer. As to your point, since the name is the real name of the location there is no need to ignore any rule. This is the same as a nomination to change the name of London to Lond, Toronto to Toro, or Rome to Roma (wait, that one should actually be tested). Enjoy. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:24, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Came back to say I checked Rome and was surprised 'Roma' wasn't boldfaced in the lede as an alternate name (although it's in the infobox title and listed as a Roman name), so boldfaced it and removed its unneeded italics in the infobox title, and will keep watch. Thanks for the inspiration. Who would have known that the flute music from the hill of Taumatawhakathang...well, you know, would reach the seven hills of Roma on Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:33, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Kryn, Oh, good point! Doug Mehus T·C 14:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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On a side note, at least the page Taumata (hill) was redirected. Hopefully it makes it easier to find and not painstakingly long to type in :) A a s i m 16:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 July 2024[edit]

It has been proposed in this section that Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu be renamed and moved to Taumata (hill).

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Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu → Taumata (hill) – Per WP:CONCISE. The shorter name also appears to be more common; even articles that discuss the long name appear to prefer the short one, including Stuff, news18, and NZ Herald BilledMammal (talk) 06:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I didn't even consider this would be controversial, let alone that prior proposals would be opposed. It's quite clear per our article naming WP:CRITERIA that this is far too lengthy of a title. Taumata hill is a perfectly natural alternative that is used in multiple reliable sources and described as being the named used by locals. Also WP:WIAN states 'A name can be considered as widely accepted if a neutral and reliable source states: "X is the name most often used for this entity"' Stuff states 'its everyday name is Taumata Hill.'[1]. That's a reliable source quite clearly stating the name is widely used amongst locals. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer your proposed natural disambiguation of Taumata Hill over the parenthetical disambiguation I proposed; looking at the sources again, it also appears to be preferred by them too. BilledMammal (talk) 07:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: LilianaUwU Please move the article back to the original name of Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu until consensus is reached. There had already been two requested moves and consensus was not to move. ―Panamitsu (talk) 07:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Panamitsu, I'm aware of this. I'm trying to see how to copy the old title to actually properly move it back. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this. It wasn't intentional, and they have been trying to get it back to that title, although there are technical issues because of its length. BilledMammal (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did I do it? LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, yours still had the soft hyphen character. I think I've managed to fix it now. BilledMammal (talk) 07:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the original did have the soft hyphen character to an extent, hence why it was at AN for being blacklisted. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my mistake - I think you're right; they're in the link in my RM, but not the previous RM. I think Canley accidentally introduced them in this edit. However, should it have them? BilledMammal (talk) 07:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean... on my end (with Vector 2010), the title trails off the screen, pretty much. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And moved back, sorry about that. BilledMammal (talk) 07:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for this mess and waste of time. Although it somewhat highlights the issues with the lengthy name. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:CONCISE and other arguments above. Left guide (talk) 07:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The hill's unusually long name (arguably the longest in the world) is the specific reason why it is notable. PatricKiwi (talk) 07:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, per PatricKiwi and it's not the common name. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 07:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]