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Halloween set
[edit]I think it could be nice to have a Halloween-themed DYK set this year, like last year. Would anyone else be interested in working on this? User:Premeditated Chaos said that she has a page ready, so that's already one. Di (they-them) (talk) 13:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- A few years ago, I did Feetloaf. Not sure I've got anything better than that in the wings. The scariest I've got in my dusty drafts collection is User:RoySmith/drafts/Token Sucking. That's been incubating for six years and I still haven't managed to get it done. Maybe it's worth putting some effort into for this year. RoySmith (talk) 23:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've put the nomination up for mine now: Template:Did you know nominations/What A Merry-Go-Round. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is another approved nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret C. Waites. TSventon (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- The reviewer of my hook Template:Did you know nominations/Brian David Gilbert suggested that I post it here. The hook mentions Stranger Things (scary), Halloween monsters (spooky), and the American health insurance system (AAAHHHHH!!!).
- — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 05:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just saw a review in the Guardian for a programme called "Killer Cakes" if that's of any use.--Launchballer 08:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Haunted (Laura Les song) is nominated for GAN. This might be a potential option for this set. Z1720 (talk) 13:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just saw a review in the Guardian for a programme called "Killer Cakes" if that's of any use.--Launchballer 08:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Roswell incident just passed GA on October 2, so a nomination today would get under the newness wire. I'll try to get that done. RoySmith (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Roswell incident RoySmith (talk) 15:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think it ran on the front page for the anniversary of the broadcast. Not sure where to look for OTD archives. Rjjiii (talk) 15:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah, I see that now.
A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on 12 dates. [show] July 8, 2005, July 8, 2006, July 8, 2007, July 8, 2009, July 8, 2010, July 8, 2014, July 8, 2015, July 8, 2017, July 8, 2019, July 8, 2021, July 8, 2022, and July 8, 2024
. I'll withdraw the nomination. RoySmith (talk) 15:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)- Aww, shame, that would've been a great one. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah, I see that now.
- I think it ran on the front page for the anniversary of the broadcast. Not sure where to look for OTD archives. Rjjiii (talk) 15:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Roswell incident RoySmith (talk) 15:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I can work up articles/expansions for a deathcamas and a "ghost of Gondwana" spider species--Kevmin § 18:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Anticlea elegans Mountain deathcamas nominated--Kevmin § 02:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Progradungula barringtonensis Aussie spider and "Gondwanan ghost" nominated--Kevmin § 16:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Obligatory Glaucomflecken video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_53GO77RNiM RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have nominated Slime (fantasy creature) to go with this set. Di (they-them) (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Vincent Darré. Just have to fix up the cites! Thriley (talk) 20:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have also asked that Template:Did you know nominations/Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (song) be included in the set. Di (they-them) (talk) 18:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Ethnocentricity?
[edit]I know we've done Halloween sets before, but I wonder if this is excessively ethnocentric? This is historically a Christian event (although it's been co-opted by people outside the Christian faith) and Geography of Halloween says The celebrations and observances of this day occur primarily in regions of the Western world
. RoySmith (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't explicitly endorsing Halloween, it's just a fun project to get spooky/thematically appropriate hooks on October 31st. I really don't think this is an issue. Di (they-them) (talk) 15:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Halloween is celebrated everywhere where there is a strong American influence, which is quite a large part of the world, especially the English speaking one. We should try to celebrate some Indian holidays too, but there isn't anything wrong with a Halloween theme. —Kusma (talk) 18:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- If someone is willing to build a set for a non-Christian, non-Western special occasion, I would be fully supportive and find articles to help. Z1720 (talk) 23:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fairly certain we had several Indonesia-heavy sets for that country's independence day, back when I was more productive. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there were four nationalist-themed DYKs on 17 August 2012 and five Indonesian DYKs for 17 August 2011. It's just a matter of having people active in the field; if people aren't writing about a subject, it's hard to pull together a special set. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Halloween's also a bit easier to work with since there's a really broad range of hooks that will fit. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there were four nationalist-themed DYKs on 17 August 2012 and five Indonesian DYKs for 17 August 2011. It's just a matter of having people active in the field; if people aren't writing about a subject, it's hard to pull together a special set. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- If someone is willing to build a set for a non-Christian, non-Western special occasion, I would be fully supportive and find articles to help. Z1720 (talk) 23:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Hallowe'en hooks
[edit]Listing the proposed Hallowe'en hooks below, their topic, and their progress. These are not listed in any particular order:
- Template:Did you know nominations/What A Merry-Go-Round - Fashion - Approved
- Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret C. Waites - Education - Approved
- Template:Did you know nominations/Brian David Gilbert - Media - Approved
- Template:Did you know nominations/Anticlea elegans - Biology - Approved
- Template:Did you know nominations/Slime (fantasy creature) - Fiction - Approved
- Template:Did you know nominations/Vincent Darré - Art - Approved
- Template:Did you know nominations/Devil's Doorway (Wisconsin) - Geology - Approved
- Template:Did you know nominations/Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (song) - Music - Review in progress
- Template:Did you know nominations/Progradungula barringtonensis - Biology -
Needing reviewreviewed - Template:Did you know nominations/Trunk-or-treating - Halloween -
Needing reviewreviewed - Template:Did you know nominations/Haunted (Laura Les song) - Music -
Needing reviewApproved - Template:Did you know nominations/Get the Hell Out - Film - Approved
If other hooks are proposed, please add them to the list above. Z1720 (talk) 18:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
I would definitely go with Slime (monster) for the lead hook because it's got a great image. RoySmith (talk) 20:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's wonderfully goopy and a nice Halloweeny green color. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Devil's Doorway (Wisconsin) is currently in Prep 5. It would be a good hook for completing the set if needed. Thriley (talk) 21:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29 RoySmith (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Lightburst you ok with that? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping AirshipJungleman29. Seems like a good idea. Lightburst (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- I remember Last year's set which I worked on Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2023/November#1 November 2023. I love to see themed sets! Lightburst (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping AirshipJungleman29. Seems like a good idea. Lightburst (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Lightburst you ok with that? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29 RoySmith (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Since some of the hooks are shorter, would editors be OK with 10 hooks? OTD can add hooks if it gets too long for Main Page balance. Z1720 (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- The original plan, as I remember it, was if we had 9 short hooks, we'd go with 9. If we had longer ones, we'd go back to 8. That plan seems to have lasted about 5 minutes :-) RoySmith (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
I love the caption for the prep set, but we might get yelled at in ERRORS. @AirshipJungleman29: who selected this caption: are we OK with the caption as it currently stands, or should we look for something more encyclopedic? If we keep the caption, I suggest that someone monitor ERRORS or pre-emptively put a note there saying that consensus was to have this caption and it shouldn't be changed. Z1720 (talk) 19:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't even see the caption while reviewing. I love it. We tend to let loose a bit on April Fools... Halloween isn't Fish Day, but I do think it makes sense to have a bit of a fun caption to go with a fun set. I'm down for a spooky slime. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm perfectly willing to get yelled at by a bunch of bores who don't know the meaning of fun. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- For those about to spook, we salute you. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- omg I love the caption haha Di (they-them) (talk) 22:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer, thanks for the ping about the edit to these hooks. As for the Waites hook, I would trim Cabot House—that was added in by a second reviewer but I think the name of an undergraduate dorm doesn’t mean much for most people. If that leaves room to put the books back in, I think that’s more interesting than the name of the dorm, but I’m also fine if you want to leave both out to make it punchier, so just, she’s said to haunt an undergraduate suite at Harvard College? Innisfree987 (talk) 10:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's actually a moot point because @AirshipJungleman29: reverted the edit.--Launchballer 16:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Just noting here that Haunted (Laura Les song) was nominated. If someone reviews it, I will promote it.--Launchballer 16:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer Reviewed and passed. CMD (talk) 12:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Promoted. I did suggest Killer Cakes above.--Launchballer 13:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
I was wondering if Template:Did you know nominations/Get the Hell Out could make the cut? Was about to promote it for another set until I realized it's a zombie movie hook. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: Good idea. Assuming it checks out, ALT0/2 would work best if we're doing that. That set is currently being held up by #Progradungula barringtonensis - if you could give that a third review, I can assess this.--Launchballer 17:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please consider ALT1, which I just copy edited and trumps the other hooks IMO Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. My objection was that it didn't mention 'zombie', but I see no reason why it can't be mooched from another approved hook. I just checked the article and while a GA reviewer might whinge about the length of some of its sentences, DYK is very much not that, so you may put it in the prep set.--Launchballer 17:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please consider ALT1, which I just copy edited and trumps the other hooks IMO Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Eleven hooks?
[edit]I notice Prep 2 has eleven hooks in it. Is this a good thing? RoySmith (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I believe there was consensus above, in the discussion of Halloween, to have more than the standard amount if the hooks were short. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Several of the hooks are not short, though. —Kusma (talk) 08:45, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I did trim some of them, but @AirshipJungleman29: reverted me. Also, I just pulled one.--Launchballer 09:40, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- That was when we had ten hooks. That Brian Gilbert hook stands out as being quite long and not that Halloween-y. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I take that back now it has an excellent image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- That was when we had ten hooks. That Brian Gilbert hook stands out as being quite long and not that Halloween-y. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I did trim some of them, but @AirshipJungleman29: reverted me. Also, I just pulled one.--Launchballer 09:40, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
We did it!
[edit]- Good job everyone! This was fun, let's do it again next year. :) Di (they-them) (talk) 23:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- woooooOOOOOooooo.... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
@Crisco 1492, Richard Nevell, and Piotrus: I have concerns about whether this meets our WP:NPOV requirement. Also @Personisinsterest: who did the GA review. Frankly, when a reviewer writes The destruction of cultural heritage in Gaza is a really important part of what’s happening right now, and it’s kind of overlooked. I’m glad people are doing this
it leads me to wonder if they are applying NPOV as rigorously as they should be. RoySmith (talk) 13:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was just looking for stuff to say honestly. Personisinsterest (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think there's something inherently wrong with being happy about the existence of an article that one considers informative and educational, and I can't help but find it a little absurd to impugn the quality of a review on the grounds that a reviewer complimented the creator. I like libraries and 19th-century American history and want both to appear more on Wikipedia, and I don't think that renders me incapable of doing decent reviews of 19th-century librarian biographers (I use this personal example because I have done such a GA review). Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 02:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy to discuss any concerns, but I should say that I've got a long train journey this evening and another tomorrow, and am busy between 9am and 5pm (UK time) so I can't guarantee a rapid reply.
- We do of course need to uphold NPOV and I appreciate that ARBPIA articles are contentious. Is the concern about the hook, the article, or the topic area and its generally contentious nature (or a combination)? Richard Nevell (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Some detailed comments
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- I understand how that could look bias. And it’s because I am. I am pro-Palestinian, as I have said before. And it was an overlooked part of the war. But I checked it. I checked to see if it was reliable and neutral. And when it explicitly stated the destruction was genocide, I toned it down. Personisinsterest (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- This topic is inherently subjective, since it talks about problematic behavior of a particular group (to keep it general). As such, there are always going to be some NPOV concerns lingering around. However, the article is stable, not NPOV tagged, and I did not notice any red flags in my reading. Unless we rule out any controversial topic as DYK-ineligible, I don't see what else we can do here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- The use of a holocaust analogy should be a significant red flag, there is a lot that can be done here. CMD (talk) 05:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's clear there is controversy here. I've swapped this out to Prep 3 so we've got time to work on it. RoySmith (talk) 14:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds sensible to me as this probably isn't a discussion that would be helped by time pressure. Richard Nevell (talk) 18:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's clear there is controversy here. I've swapped this out to Prep 3 so we've got time to work on it. RoySmith (talk) 14:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- The use of a holocaust analogy should be a significant red flag, there is a lot that can be done here. CMD (talk) 05:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
DYKToolsBot not working
[edit]RoySmith, DYKToolsBot hasn't updated in two weeks. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, I'll take a look. RoySmith (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting. There's a cron job that's been running for a bit over 14 days, which is probably what's holding everything up (as I understand it, cron won't kick off a new job while an old one is still running). I'm not sure what got it wedged, but I've manually kicked off a run and that seems to be working fine so I'll probably just kill the stuck job and see what happens. RoySmith (talk) 16:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
As an aside on this, I'd really like to see more joint custody of all the bits and pieces that make DYK run. I hadn't looked at this stuff for over a year and it took me some time to figure out how it all worked again. If I got run over by a bus and somebody had to pick it up from scratch, it would have been even harder. The more we're all familiar with all the moving pieces, the more resilient we all are to roving homicidal busses. RoySmith (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking of, just noticed that GalliumBot is down, if theleekycauldron isn't already aware. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi there. Would it be possible to request a second pair of eyes at Template:Did you know nominations/Luo Shiwen? The reviewer, Buidhe and myself disagree about the use of CCP-related sources and its potential impact on article neutrality. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Still need a second pair of eyes. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Older nominations needing DYK reviewers
[edit]The previous list was archived earlier today, so I've created a new list of 31 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through October 1. We have a total of 280 nominations, of which 110 have been approved, a gap of 170 nominations that has decreased by 10 over the past 6 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
More than one month old
September 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Moses da RietiSeptember 7: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Falcón state (two articles)September 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Jewish dairy restaurant- September 9: Template:Did you know nominations/Alison Creagh
September 11: Template:Did you know nominations/It's OK I'm OKSeptember 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Benjamin Franklin ShumardSeptember 12: Template:Did you know nominations/U WasawaSeptember 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Czarodziejski okręt- September 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Nathania Ong
September 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Krzyż i półksiężyc- September 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Krwawy chleb
September 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Chauncey Archiquette- September 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Gitmo playlist
September 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Jeya Wilson- September 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Barquq Castle
- September 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Korzeniacy, czyli Jesień wsamrazków
- September 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Muthkwey
September 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Sonya FriedmanSeptember 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Ye GongchuoSeptember 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Expandable card gameSeptember 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Dalibor Riccardi- September 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Kazimierz Sakowicz
- September 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Hanif Kureshi
- September 27: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (four articles)
- September 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Old City of Gaza (two articles)
- September 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds
September 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Eddie SheldrakeSeptember 30: Template:Did you know nominations/Wasswa Serwanga- September 30: Template:Did you know nominations/Negussie Roba
Other nominations
October 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Disputes on WikipediaOctober 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Pablo Barragán
Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Open question: How much should a DYK reviewer edit a page they review?
[edit]Hi all, I've reviewed some DYKs in the past, but I've been bothered by the thought that editing an article before reviewing it gives the impression of a conflict of interest. I've found that some articles (especially written by novice or ESL editors) are interesting and worthy of a DYK, but have issues (e.g., copyediting, flow of prose, citation formatting) which are fixable. However, in my experience, fixing these issues can take you into adding new sources or new information. What's best practice here? How much is too much? Does this ever give the impression of a COI? Tenpop421 (talk) 01:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I know I regularly fix punctuation and similar grammatical errors, or add convert templates. But that's one or two small edits, generally. Its not close to the 30, 40 edits I make polishing the articles I write. Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 01:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ultimately, the goal is to add the best content we can to the encyclopedia. If editing somebody else's submission helps do that, it's a win. As far as COI, as long as it's just minor edits like punctuation, spelling, or sentence structure, I don't see any problems with also reviewing the submission. Once you get into major edits and adding sources, probably better to leave it for somebody else to review. RoySmith (talk) 02:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with that. Johnbod (talk) 03:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ultimately, the goal is to add the best content we can to the encyclopedia. If editing somebody else's submission helps do that, it's a win. As far as COI, as long as it's just minor edits like punctuation, spelling, or sentence structure, I don't see any problems with also reviewing the submission. Once you get into major edits and adding sources, probably better to leave it for somebody else to review. RoySmith (talk) 02:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I know I regularly fix punctuation and similar grammatical errors, or add convert templates. But that's one or two small edits, generally. Its not close to the 30, 40 edits I make polishing the articles I write. Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 01:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Incredibly boring "Did You Know" selections
[edit]I've seen far too many "Did You Know" selections recently that pander purely to geeky American interest. Who needs interesting historical facts when you can find out which video game character wasn't on some random video game website's Christmas list? Who needs neat facts about physics when you can learn about some Japanese animated girl with pronounced bosoms?
I think there needs to be more actual interesting facts that most English speaking people can enjoy that aren't just pop culture or things that just don't matter in the grand scheme of things in either a historical or metaphysical way. 2A0E:CB01:72:B200:7847:EEBF:15EE:9E83 (talk) 13:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Then go write those articles yourself. Be the change you want to see in the world. Lead the charge! But that requires effort, doesn't it? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- You don't even have to write the articles. Just keep an eye on Special:NewPagesFeed and when you see something of interest, write a hook and nominate it. Scrolling the feed right now, I see 1931 Barcelona rent strike which might interest history buffs. Physics is a bit harder, but the other way to become eligible for DYK is to become a Good Article, so watching WP:GAN#PHYS would keep you abreast of upcoming physics GAs. RoySmith (talk) 13:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I shouldn't have to devote large amounts of effort just because I want to point out a problem. If I said "I think animal kill shelters are unethical" you wouldn't expect me to adopt all the animals from them and devote all my time to them. 2A0E:CB01:72:B200:8C4E:625A:EA34:D3EF (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, you can point out millions of things you see as problems. Doesn't mean anyone else needs to jump to fixing them. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Precisely. And writing an article that meets the DYK criteria isn't much of a timesink; if you have sources available, a couple hours is more than enough. The bar is a low for a reason: to make it accessible. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- We've actually been trying to have a wider variety of hooks, as well as weeding out specialist hooks by implementing WP:DYKINT. However, it's easier said than done, and it's not uncommon for there to be resistance towards it being enforced. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I reviewed this, and thus a different set of eyes will be needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I gave it a proper lead, but in terms of DYK criteria, this is fine. (Apologies for the delay in me doing these, I hit a wall a couple of days ago.)--Launchballer 11:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. We're all volunteers here (and to be completely honest these past few days have been rough) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I gave it a proper lead, but in terms of DYK criteria, this is fine. (Apologies for the delay in me doing these, I hit a wall a couple of days ago.)--Launchballer 11:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wrote this, and thus a different set of eyes will be needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I see no problems with this. I note that part of the hook is in a footnote, which I personally have no problem with but noting here anyway.--Launchballer 12:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wrote this, and thus a second pair of eyes will be needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- How interesting is the hook without knowing what May Fourth Movement is?--Launchballer 09:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I could switch it with the assassination bit (Alt0 in the nom)Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 09:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- That hook checks out.--Launchballer 10:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, switched. I can promote if there are no other concerns. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see anything wrong with the article.--Launchballer 10:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Danke. Promoted. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see anything wrong with the article.--Launchballer 10:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- That hook checks out.--Launchballer 10:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- How interesting is the hook without knowing what May Fourth Movement is?--Launchballer 09:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion is still ongoing, so I've replaced this with Carlton Colville Scouts Memorial. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I was unaware that the scouts memorial was being held for remembrance day; I have thus replaced it with Embassy of the Philippines, Bucharest — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Special occasion hooks I approved have now been tagged with a hidden comment in the prep sets. The hook about the destruction in the Gaza Strip might not be a good idea for 11 November, Remembrance Day. Flibirigit (talk) 19:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. Moved to Prep 1 now. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Special occasion hooks I approved have now been tagged with a hidden comment in the prep sets. The hook about the destruction in the Gaza Strip might not be a good idea for 11 November, Remembrance Day. Flibirigit (talk) 19:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing that he was the first in the cited source. He was scheduled to be, yes, but the source provided does not reflect that he raced or won points at the F1 level. Tagging Giraffer, 5225C, and Hilst. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- The line immediately below is a well-cited race classification showing that Zhou finished with a point. I would have thought this was obvious enough not to require a source, but regardless I've added one to explicitly support the claim. Giraffer (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Plans change, which is why I asked for a more definite reference. Looks good now. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- The line immediately below is a well-cited race classification showing that Zhou finished with a point. I would have thought this was obvious enough not to require a source, but regardless I've added one to explicitly support the claim. Giraffer (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the hook would hit the main page at 16:00 EST on US election day, I feel like it should be delayed another day at least due to the involvement of several current candidates. Thoughts? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Daylight savings time is going to my head. Alright, we're good here. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Another hook that would hit the main page at 16:00 EST on US election day. Thoughts about pushing it back, given the emphasis on the efforts to overturn the 2020 election? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I thought the election date was the fifth. These are scheduled to hit the main page at 16:00 on the sixth.--Launchballer 19:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Daylight savings time is going to my head. Alright, we're good here. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I thought the election date was the fifth. These are scheduled to hit the main page at 16:00 on the sixth.--Launchballer 19:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Cock Destroyers +1
[edit]- I reviewed these, and thus another pair of eyes is needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I can't touch this because I wrote the articles, but would "that The Cock Destroyers (pictured) released a "gloriously queer" sex education video for Netflix before hosting Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer" flow better?--Launchballer 13:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I've added this new phrasing. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I can't touch this because I wrote the articles, but would "that The Cock Destroyers (pictured) released a "gloriously queer" sex education video for Netflix before hosting Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer" flow better?--Launchballer 13:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing 5x. The current revision is 2534 characters, whereas prior to expansion it was 734 characters. If it were close, I'd IAR it, but by my count 5x would be 3,655 characters - more than 33%. Tagging Dumelow, Soman, and JuniperChill . — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- My count is 439 bytes before expansion, 2219 bytes after expansion. That is narrowly above x5. --Soman (talk) 19:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's interesting - I'm getting your results when I plug the text into Word. It looks like the Coordinates added with this edit are responsible for the issue. Running DYK check on this version gives 291 characters, but on this version it gives 672 characters despite no change to the running text. Good to go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also able to replicate this issue with Jiangwan Racecourse, again due to the coordinates. Shubinator, is it possible to modify the script to not include coordinate data? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
I would like to move towards resolution here, but I need someone to take a look at ALT1 and my proposed rewrite of that hook in my review, and if possible, present it in a proposed new hook form or offer up other ones. Nominator is currently inactive. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 21:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've responded there. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Great, done. Viriditas (talk) 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- ... that Margaret Pargeter was one of the most widely read authors in Britain in 1986?
The data in the source is from 1985 (the article was published in March 1986, so it can't provide information for that year). I'm also not convinced about the data being bundled by genre (the most popular books were romance novels by five authors including Pargeter, but it doesn't give any actual data for each one) but that's not objectively wrong because of the dreaded "one of"... Black Kite (talk) 00:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming it checks out, "that Margaret Pargeter wrote 49 novels between 1975 and 1986 and published her 50th in 1997" would be a good hook. All references to it in prose are cited to the 1997 novel though. Also, pinging @Cielquiparle, ResonantDistortion, and Hilst:.--Launchballer 10:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I quite like your alt hook. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 11:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer Thanks for the suggestion. Here's my tweak (to make it less "pat" so that there is still something to click for):
- ... that Margaret Pargeter published 49 novels within 11 years, followed by her 50th novel 11 years later?
- Cielquiparle (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer Thanks for the suggestion. Here's my tweak (to make it less "pat" so that there is still something to click for):
- Is this a reliable source? It doesn't appear to be user generated, and it cites your alt hook apart from the fact it says the 50th was published in 1998 (suspect that might be the US release date, as all other sources say 1997). For someone who was supposedly such a widely-read author, there is very little about her work - I can't even find a proper obituary. Black Kite (talk) 14:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- The fact she was a volunteer fire-fighter in the ARP during WWII might be a decent hook as well. Black Kite (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Per [1], basic members can update the site. So no, not an RS.--Launchballer 14:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I quite like your alt hook. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 11:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
My DYKs
[edit]Hi, can someone please take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Dog (2nd nomination) and Template:Did you know nominations/Fishing cat, and either promote or fail them? It's been weeks now. Wolverine X-eye (talk to me) 07:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently a few dozen approved hooks nominated before yours, so it'll probably be a while yet. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Precisely. We're at one set a day, which means eight hooks per day. Since these are not biographies, nor are they American, they will likely not be bypassed for balance purposes; they'll probably end up being promoted more quickly than more common classes of article nominated at the same time. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- It often takes about four weeks on average between nomination and promotion (my guess) and about a week in a prep/queue. Both articles were nominated two weeks ago and DYKs usually don't get promoted within that period (unless it has to run on a special day). For comparison, my noms get reviewed either within a week, or after a month. JuniperChill (talk) 13:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot is down; midnight update delayed
[edit]Regrettably, DYKUpdateBot didn't run at midnight; normally, the update of the main page and all the other moves and credits would have been completed by now.
I have notified Shubinator on his talk page (I initially noticed that DYKHousekeepingBot was down, and discovered that DYKUpdateBot also seemed to be down), in the hopes that he can start the bot soon. In the meantime, we will need an admin to do a manual update: pinging @DYK admins: in the hopes that one of you can step in. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'll do the adminny stuff, if someone else can handle the credits and tags :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- DYKUpdateBot came back online a few minutes after BlueMoonset's message, and had already updated when your update began. Probably best to undo your update? Otherwise one set was on DYK for just 5 minutes. Shubinator (talk) 00:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, just undid. My bad! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Great, looks good now! Shubinator (talk) 00:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, just undid. My bad! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- DYKUpdateBot came back online a few minutes after BlueMoonset's message, and had already updated when your update began. Probably best to undo your update? Otherwise one set was on DYK for just 5 minutes. Shubinator (talk) 00:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)