Talk:Vijayanagara Empire

isnt this an more accurate map??

wouldnt this be a better map?

this map shows vijaynagar empire in 1525 with its tribuatries PranshavAnandPatel (talk) 19:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the addition; looks quite good to me (but, I know very little about Indian history; first time I read about the Afghan Empire - is that the Delhi Sultanate? Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 12:39, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes that is the delhi sultanate PranshavAnandPatel (talk) 13:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan That is referring to the Lodi dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate.

But in my own opinion on the map, I'm doubting its reliability, some of the map seems simplified. Noorullah (talk) 18:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

How so? PranshavAnandPatel (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

https://archive.org/details/historicalatlaso00jopprich] PranshavAnandPatel (talk) 18:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Well for one the preface in the book says about the maps that "The purpose of this atlas is not to furnish a set of detailed maps for the use of mature scholars, but to provide a general conspectus of Indian history chiefly for the use of School and College students. Hence names of towns and forts familiar to antiquarians or those of minor states which do not come within the scope of general history have been passed over; for it has been thought desirable not to mar the clearness of the maps by overcrowding them with names of secondary or local importance."

The map clearly tries to oversimplify by replacing small "non-notable" states with territory of the larger adjacent states and treating tributaries as being directly ruled by their overlords, thus making the latter appear larger; this is done with Vijayanagara by treating all of southern India as being directly ruled by them, while much of Kerala was only a tributary (Calicut), as is shown on this article's former map; not outlining which territories are tributaries can be somewhat misleading so I think a map without them gives the best view of what territory was truly controlled. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Flag of Vijaynagar Empire

Flag

Emblem

Pinging @Joshua Jonathan Hi!, I want to ask you about the flag of Vijaynagar Empire which is on right. The author of the image has itself stated in the description of the image that

"Unreferenced. This is not the official Vijayanagara flag, but a modern imagination of what the flag used by Vijayanagara would look like. It has no historical background (no historical information on the shade or hue of the color, the angle of lines, the curvature or straightness of lines, etc). No flag artifact or any archaeological proof of a flag used by Vijayanagara survived"

Also he had taken the source as the emblem of Vijaynagar Empire(on left) which is WP:OR as there are high chances that the design used in emblem can be different from the design used in Vijaynagar's flag. Hence, I think it should be removed.

Regards

Rawn3012 (talk) 05:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Agreed पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Also agreed, and Pat already did, a week ago diff. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Changing from Empire to Kingdom

In its Historical sources it has been always reffered to as an Kingdom, it was not ruled by an Emperor but rather an king.

We should replace the Tittle of the Page to Vijayanagara Kingdom or Karnata Kingdom. WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 14:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

also called should be in first paragraph

like persian empire it should show its second most common name in fist paragraph stop reverting these edits WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 14:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

emblem and flag source

Vijayanagara emblem

Catalan Atlas Flag

source for the emblem : https://hampi.in/vijayanagara-emblem official website of the city of hampi , where vijaynagra city existed.

source for the other flag in catalan atlas : Catalan Atlas https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=41309380 WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 11:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Why would we use an emblem, described by a non-WP:RS, as a flag?

Regarding the Catalan Atlas#India, it says:

In the center of India appears the traditional Yadava capital of Diogil ("Deogiri", or Devagiri ). On top of the city of Diogil floats a peculiar flag ()

Obviously, the Catalan Atlas does not use this peculiar flag for the Vijayanagara Empire, and even if it did, it would not be considered WP:RS. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 12:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

the emblem is present in modern-day hampi and is confirmed to the emblem of the king/kingdom . WhatAGreatWikiTuber (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Present-day Hampi: so, what's the relevance for the Vijaynagar Empire? And confirmed by whom? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 14:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)