Jump to content

Talk:Belenus

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

attributes

[edit]

I'm not sure how to proceed here. Belenus is a Continental Celtic/Gaulish deity. He is not attested in Ireland or Wales, nor is Belenus the same as Bile, though it is possible Belenus is a related or cognate figure with Welsh Beli Mawr, they are not the same, nor do they have the same myths or attributes, so to speak

In Irish the figure Bile is not the same, even etymologically/linguistically, with the sacred tree, the Bile.

There is possibly a linguistic relationship between Belenus, and Beltaine, in that scholars think Bel- may mean "bright," and hence "sacred."

But We Don't Know. See MacKillip Dictionary of Celtic Mythology, s.v. Belenus, Bile, Beli Mawr, Beltaine; Proinsias MacCana s.v. Beltaine, Rachel Bromwich Triodd Ynys Prydain s.v. Beli Mawr. --DigitalMedievalist ---A convincing argument has been made for the original name of Cuchullain having been Cullan (R.S. Loomis ? Alwyn and Brinley Rees?) This would tend to indicate Q-Celtic Cullan being cognate with P-Celtic Belen/ Pelin, not to mention P-Greek Pollon. Cuchullan has many of the attributes of a sun god, including the geis on him not to rise later than the sun nor to go to bed later than the sun. --[user: timsharp600]90.33.79.193 (talk) 20:27, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten some of the entry following your comments, but I've left in the reference to Britain - MacKillop mentions a shrine in Inveresk, Scotland. --Nicknack009 08:49, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The only relevant inscription at Inveresk that I can find mentions Apollo Grannus, not Apollo Belenus. There are inscriptions to Bellinus (sic) in Lancashire and County Durham, though. Q·L·1968 23:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Water associations

[edit]

Why is this article in the category for sea and river gods? Not that I question the categorization--I have no knowledge of the subject--but the reason should be explained in the article. Katherine Tredwell 00:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both Beli and Balor were considered to be of the Formorian race (ie water giants). Beli, from what I can tell so far, can either be seen as an elaboration of "Bel" or related to Bel through the name "Balor." Though there is nothing on line linking "baleygr" (the etymology for balor) to "bolgios" - in can be inferred due to the link between bolgios and both beli and balor. The cattle link probably came from the fact that there is a different norse beli.

BALOR - balor=(orig) baleful eye, flaming eye, crimson eye, (later) evil eye, venomous eye, (later) the one eyed, the bright one; - / - beli (from) belgios, bolgios (from) balor (from) baleyg (from) baleygr (from) bal eygr=blaze eye, eye of fire, flaming eyed, fiery eyed, flame eyed, flaming eyed, furnace eyed, blazing eye, feeble eye, the struck looking, the burning eye, one with flaming eyes, with eyes blazing, in the blazing eye, (later) odin’s epithet, god of sunlight; - / - baleyg=flame eye, fiery eyed, the burning eye, with eyes blazing, the flaming eyed, flame eyed one, one with flaming eyes; - / - belgios, bolgios (from) bolg ios=(orig) lightning, he of the lightning, (later) white, shining, bright; - / - balor=(orig) fomorian sea giant king with glance that kills, (later) irish god of death and the underworld;

- (bolg) - bolg(Ir)=(orig) stomach, belly, tummy, womb, (later) bag, sack, leather bag;

- (bolg) – bolg(celt)=(orig) lightning, spear, (later) luminous, shine, flashing;


- (bel/bal) - bel=(orig) to shine, to be bright, (later) fire, flame, (later) bright, brightness, shining, brilliant, light, glitter, splendour, radiant, burning bright, fortunate, good, (later) the bright one, the shining one; - / - beli (wlsh) (from) bel (OI) (from) bael (OE) (from) bal (ON)=(orig) fire, great fire, flame, blaze, (later) bonfire, (later) pyre, funeral pile; - /- bael=fire, flame, blaze, bonfire, funeral pyre, bonfire; - / - beli=bright, brightness, shining, white, (later) the bright one, the bright and shining one, (symbols) horse, wheel; - /- bel=celtic sun god of light, fire, prosperity, healing, purification, agriculture and springtime, purification, healing, fire and light, represents spring’s returning warmth, lustful youth, patron of sheep and cattle; - / - beli=welsh sun god, celtic god of fire and light who is honoured on may first; /// beli=leader of the norse barking giants, brother of gerda, loved gerda’s husband frey who killed him with a stag horn; see Gerda; - / - beli=(orig) bellowing, moaning, howler, storm, (later) the stag; - / - beli (ON) (from) belja (ON)=(orig) to bellow, to roar, to shout, to moo, (later) bellowing animal, cow;

- (eage/ops) - eage, ege=(orig) eye, (later) aperture, hole, eye of the needle; - / - eage, ege (OE) (from) eygr (ON) (from) auga (ON) (from) ouga (OHG) (from) oculus (L) (from) ops (grk) (from) akshi (skrit)=the eye, the number two; - / - opsis (from) ops=eye, face, voice, resemblance, appearance of …; - / - opsis=(orig) face, (later) sight, view, vision, opinion, appearance, likeness, resembling, having the appearancee of … ; - / - auga, ouga, oculus=eye, the eye; - / - eygr=eyed, having eyes of a certain kind, having one or both eyes turned out, with fine eyes, with large eyes, (later) eyed; - / - ege=awe, fear, terror, dread, overawing influence; - / - ege (OE) (from) agi (ON) (from) opis (grk)=silent, awe inspiring, watchful; - / - agi=awe, terror, uproar, turbulence, discipline, constraint;- / - ophic=pertaining to serpents; - / - ophic (from) ophis, ophios=(orig) serpent, snake, (later) sly, cunning, malicious, artful; —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.37.48 (talk) 19:56, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"His consort was Belisama". What is the source for this statement? It needs to be supported with a reference or removed, unless it is pure speculation: in which case can this be clearly stated please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megalith6 (talkcontribs) 01:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The nearest I've found is reference to images of Belenus being depicted with what is thought to be Belisama; no specific mention of her being a consort so I've changed it accordingly, and added the reference to Koch to support the claim. Beurlach (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Group

[edit]

There is a french one-man black metal band called Belenos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.96.203.23 (talk) 08:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the god

[edit]

In Asturies there is another way of calling this god: Beleñu. Actually, there is a Celtic pub very well known in both Oviedo and Gijón with the name "Ca Beleñu" (Asturian for Belenus Home)

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Belenus. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spring sources, water tanks & flood prevention..

[edit]

Along the coast of Croatia & Slovenia (particularly former Venetian colonies) have inscriptions of Belin/Belenus everywhere. To note, it was the Venetians who properly re-introduced Roman cement back into Central and Eastern Adriatic. Hence it was also them who started building air tight roman cemented based water tanks on islands where local brackish water wasn't very palatable. They were also instrumental in re-introducing sewer system infrastructure in cities, including flood prevention channels & aqueducts. Both have been found with Belin inscriptions (presumably for good luck purposes). Dariusdon249 (talk) 11:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]