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Letters from a Killer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Happiness Is... Part 2 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Sedale Threatt Jr. (basketball) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL - was created in 2017 with heavy promotional material. The subject played primarily in an Australian second tier semi-professional league. There are no secondary or independent sources available. The subject is also basically an Orphan with it's only link being his father's page at Sedale Threatt. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baloch genocide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article has numerable issues, it relies on questionable sources, and as well as contains original research. But most of all, it seems to be a WP:POVFORK of Human rights abuses in Balochistan. It doesn’t have a really good verifiability argument. Any content that is reliable should be moved to the Human rights abuse page, as this page is better established and has more to say. This page just seems extremely unnecessary. VirtualVagabond (talk) 05:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yamaha RX-K / RX-King 135 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence of meeting WP:NPRODUCT * Pppery * it has begun... 04:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carll Goodpasture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I have been looking for third party references to support this article but can find none, especially on the exhibitions and grants and awards categories. In addition, there are no references, other than links to primary sources from the subject person. I believe this is not notable and falls under under WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE / WP:PRIMARY, and may violate WP:BASIC / WP:PHOTOGRAPHER / WP:AUTO. Maybe, if no references apply, the subject could be inserted into a relevant American photographer article. Shotgunheist💬 04:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lillebror Johansson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Kerr (retired firefighter) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable political candidate. Of the 4 sources cited on the page, 2 are his own website and 1 is Ballotpedia. No in-depth news coverage and no claim to notability. Holding a mid-level position in a union and serving on a state board does not entitle someone to a Wikipedia page. Page creator seems to have a personal connection to Kerr, judging by the fact that they uploaded several pictures of him on Commons and tagged them as "own work." BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harry M. Rubin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Upon review of article and its sources, the person in question does not meet the notability guidelines in question: the person is not (1) cited by 3rd party sources other than websites that repeat his bio as an official founder of Samuel Adams beer (2) known for originating a new concept [see point #1] (3) become a significant monument, etc. (4) He is not cited as by peers and 3rd party sources for the work that is well-known or significant. The article was written by a blocked user and could primarily serve the purpose of self promotion as defined in WP:NOTADVERT. P3D7AQ09M6 (talk)

If deleted Harry Rubin (virologist) should be moved to the base name since Harry Rubin redirects here.--67.70.101.117 (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Folks, My apologies, I actually meant to nominate Harry Rubin (virologist) Late night editing got the best of me. Upon a 2nd look at this article in particular, I found new reputable secondary sources to that show indeed this Harry Rubin was indeed a Samuel Adams co-founder. I'm closing going to close this deletion nomination in favor of doing some work to improve the article itself. P3D7AQ09M6 (talk) 04:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe delete both of them.
Being a minor, behind-the-scenes partner of a business does not make someone notable.
ApLundell (talk) 05:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the spirit of WP:GD I'm going to suggest that we pursue a constructive alternative such as improving or cleaning up the article. Two main reasons (1) Being one of the Samuel Adams founders both within the beverage field and just generally is definitely a major contribution. It looks he was not the frontman, but, indeed, he's been recognized by multiple secondary sources as being a founder and his involvement in various beverage investments is notable enough to be topic of headlines. As you probably know, media outlets have full control over headlines, which means that these media outlets viewed his involvement as "the story". On a more basic level, Samuel Adams is also billion dollar major conglomerate, it's widely recognized, and is part of the American social milieu (2) I digged into other secondary sources and there's quite a few other significant achievements such as being one of the people who started GT Interactive, which launched DOOM (a major video game) (3) This nomination was a careless mistake on my part so it's kind of a fluke nomination. My apologies again to all for that bonehead error and for wasting folks time reviewing this!
re: Harry Rubin (virologist) Even though I intended to nominate it, I also now lean towards keeping it. Mostly because his achievements within his specific domain are quite significant.
If we deny this deletion nomination, I can take an action item to improve both pages.P3D7AQ09M6 (talk) 22:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: See also AFD'ed C. M. Rubin, his partner. IgelRM (talk) 08:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bukit Bintang Boys' Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unnotable school does not satisfy WP:GNG, some editor decided to remove PROD with no improvements what so ever. N niyaz (talk) 00:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is one example a mission school set up by missionaries in the early days in pre-Malaysia days, not that 'rare' yes, but they are getting there. In the current and foreseeable future of political climate and increasing Islamisation of Malaysia the number of these type of schools are on the decline (462 nationwide, 227 in peninsular Malaysia in 2011 [1] down to 420 nationwide, 191 in peninsular Malaysia in 2024 [2]. [Not that many of these schools have wiki pages written]. These schools have contributed in the Malaysia's early days as a nation to produce current and former leaders/notable persons. [Bukit Bintang Boys' Secondary School] is no exception (see its list of alumni). Not many schools among the 10,000+ currently operating schools in Malaysia can attest to that. Bukit Bintang Girls' School (also was a mission school, but sadly no longer exists) a sister school involved in its founding of BBBSS has its wiki page preserved.C.M. Au Yong (talk) 03:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still stand by my earlier reasoning for this page to remain, being: historical and a pre-Malaysia school that has contributed to the early nation-building.C.M. Au Yong (talk) 03:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The facts of significance you provided deserve a place at article such as Education in Malaysia instead of this school. The school is not inherent of notability because it has early contribution to humanities as a missionary establishment per WP:ORGSIG. The school is not inheritable of notability because it has notable alumni per WP:INHERITORG.
Issue with this article is the history and other notable events sections fails to WP:PROVEIT with reliable sources. Other part could be just WP:MILL content. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 07:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sections that doesn't have verifiable/sources should be removed those cases, not an outright entire page removal. It doesn't help the case that the name "Bukit Bintang" is extremely SEO unfriendly as a casual web search with those terms will refer to "Jalan Bukit Bintang, Kuala Lumpur" the tourist spot, instead of the school. There are sources out there but they aren't electronic accessible/one dead trees for the most part/or buried in older web archives.C.M. Au Yong (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is just barely some digital traces that remain to this day, eg. mentioned in passing: BBBS & BBGS as major mission schools in the country in its day[3]. C.M. Au Yong (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume removing them would leave nothing much left. A search at https://search.nlb.gov.sg/onesearch/Search?query=%22bukit+bintang+boys%22&cont=newspaper showing newspapers but irrelevant to article. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 04:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wayne Alberts (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The provided sources are mentions and stats pages. Nothing else is available in Google. Shinadamina (talk) 01:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Order of the Elephant of Godenu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The subject doesn't appear to have significant coverage in reliable sources. The references presently being used don't establish notability. toweli (talk) 01:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Order of the Lion of Godenu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The subject doesn't appear to have significant coverage in reliable sources. The references presently being used don't establish notability. toweli (talk) 01:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WhatsApp University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The term is indeed used in India. However, I don't think it has scope beyond a definition. It can be easily integrated in Fake news in India#Modes of distribution (WP:CFORK). Although start-class, it pretty much looks like a future repository for dumping all fake news spread on WhatsApp. For serious cases, there is already Indian WhatsApp lynchings. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Here's a stab at a source table. The strongest candidates appear to be a short article in the Navbharat Times, an opinion piece in The Hindu, and an in-depth blog post of questionable reliability. That last one is really a stretch, and I think we'd be hard-pressed to hit WP:3REFS. Even more so to get something large enough that it'd merit being split off from Fake news in India. hinnk (talk) 02:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table: prepared by User:hinnk
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://cyberblogindia.in/the-great-indian-whatsapp-university/ Yes ~ Blog, no apparent editorial staff at the time Yes ~ Partial
https://www.thehindu.com/society/whatsapp-indias-leading-university/article24358591.ece Yes ~ WP:THEHINDU, but this seems to be an opinion piece Yes ~ Partial
https://www.tv9hindi.com/business/misinformation-fake-news-will-be-the-biggest-risk-for-world-in-next-2-year-2355348.html Yes Yes No Brief mention, article is actually about a World Economic Forum report on online misinformation No
https://www.livehindustan.com/jharkhand/ranchi/story-students-need-to-leave-facebook-whatsapp-university-vice-chancellor-6861807.html Yes No Brief usage No
https://hindi.news24online.com/travel/survival-tips-bear-alligator-water-whatsapp-university-truth-social-media/727091/ Yes No Brief usage No
https://www.scoopwhoop.com/humor/logic-khatre-mein-hai-kunal-kamra-takes-on-whatsapp-university-in-latest-stand-up/ Yes ~ Looks like a clickbait site No Screenshots and GIFs from a standup routine without secondary analysis No
https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/tech/gadgets-news/whatsapp-launches-check-the-facts-campaign-to-fight-misinformation/articleshow/105384003.cms Yes ~ WP:TOI ~ 2-paragraph blurb, but has actual coverage of changes in WhatsApp to prevent misinformation ~ Partial
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/maharashtra-ministers-whatsapp-university-jibe-at-bjps-new-online-campaign-plan-2270936 Yes No Brief mention No
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/yogi-getting-my-telephones-tapped-akhilesh/article37993341.ece Yes No Brief usage No
https://www.apnlive.com/bjp-ruchi-pathak-india-on-99-years-lease-video/ Yes No Brief usage No
https://www.business-standard.com/politics/bjp-mps-call-kharge-vc-of-whatsapp-university-for-criticising-railways-123060901106_1.html Yes No Brief usage in a quote No
https://www.jagran.com/editorial/apnibaat-secularism-of-whatsapp-university-separating-imul-is-like-saying-that-congress-has-no-relation-with-nehru-23434257.html Yes No Brief usage, not related to what's being cited No
https://www.newslaundry.com/topic/whatsapp-university Yes ~ Reliable publication, but this is a political cartoon No Appearance in a political cartoon, not related to what's being cited No
https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/bengaluru/2024/Jul/10/debunking-whatsapp-universitys-misinformation Yes No Brief usage, article is about a tabletop game, not related to what's being cited No
https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/dont-go-by-whatsapp-university-kerala-high-court-dismisses-pil-alleging-forced-vaccination-of-children-198488 Yes No Brief usage in a quote No
https://theprint.in/last-laughs/whatsapp-university-phd-in-mangal-gyaan-maths-isnt-ec-you-know/2066319/ Yes ~ Political cartoon No Brief usage, not related to what's being cited No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
Note, also, I just rolled back an addition about the actual "Whatsapp University" as it is patent nonsense with 4 followers on linkedin, and does not add to actual article notability being debated. Shotgunheist💬 05:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
List of 20th Century Fox films (1980–1989) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This doesn't meet WP:NLIST / WP:GNG. It has no assertion of notability or references. Boleyn (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are several sibling lists for other decades, so the concept was clearly "split long list up into multiple sublists for convenience". If The Robe was from an earlier decade, thus, then it would simply belong in another decade's list. Bearcat (talk) 15:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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G-Worldwide Entertainment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Again, this article is deceptively written, creating an initial impression that it meets the criteria of WP:NCORP unless scrutinized closely. Critically fails WP:ORGCRIT, There is not even a single source from the article or WP:BEFORE to establish any context of notability. Being a nominee of The Beatz Awards is not significant enough to make it presumptively notable. Over all, fails WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chuck Garcia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotional page for non-notable engineer and public speaker. I couldn't find any reliable sources via Google News or Newsbank Database (wider and deeper than Google). Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NPROF, WP:AUTHOR. Cabrils (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manu Intiraymi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not sure this person passes WP:NACTOR, mostly minor roles. Can't find any reliable sources discussing them apart from the cited nytimes source which isn't specifically about Intiraymi, but mentions him in passing in 3 paragraphs of a rather long piece about the state of the entertainment industry in LA in the late 1990s. Other sources I have been able to find are Star Trek fansites, which I wouldn't consider significant coverage. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ "Mission schools in Malaysia". The Edge Malaysia. Retrieved 2024-07-23.
  2. ^ "Directory of Christian Mission Schools in Malaysian (2024)" (PDF). Federation of Christian Schools Malaysia. Retrieved 2024-07-23.)
  3. ^ ""A Christian's response to ACIS seminar — Stephen Ng"". www.malaymail.com. Retrieved 2024-07-24.