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- Chickenpox (South Park) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Only two sources, which do not appear to qualify as SIGCOV. There does not seem to be a justification based on notability as on why this episode should have a separate article (i.e. it could also be redirected to South Park (season 2). Stanley Joseph Wilkins (talk) 05:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- List of presidential visits to North Dakota (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This appears to be the only such list of trips made by the US president to a specific state. Cannot see how it meets the criteria at WP:NLIST. AusLondonder (talk) 05:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- ESNA European Higher Education News (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nominated on pl wiki for deletion as spam with possible hoax elements (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/artykuły/2024:07:17:ESNA European Higher Education News). It also seems to fail WP:NORG/WP:GNG. My BEFORE finds next to zero visiblity for this entity in GS/GB. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Technical closure as you cannot nominate article for deletion that are currently featured on the main page. Schwede66 04:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not news, too soon, presentism, WP:NOPAGE might sum it up. Qwirkle (talk) 04:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: This is the third AfD nomination for this article in the past week. Here's a link to the earliest one (which was listed under an older page name): [1]. David O. Johnson (talk) 04:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: This event was notable enough to make it to Main Page. Come on guys. Calling this "not news" is absolutely ridiculous. WP:LASTING, WP:EVENTCRIT, WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:COVERAGE, etc etc. Baldemoto (talk) 04:34, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Philippa Hobbs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Created by a single purpose editor. Google news comes up with a different person, and google books comes up with 1 line mentions of this person. Fails WP:ARTIST. LibStar (talk) 04:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. This is a WP:NPROF/WP:NAUTHOR pass. With Elizabeth Rankin, she has been a prominent curator/art historian in post-apartheid South Africa. For an example, one of the book reviews I've added to the article says
It is not the first time that they have paired up to write the definitive book on aspects of South African art and artists
- that is, the books Hobbs has written are known as the "definitive work" on the subject. I'm confident there will also be biographical information on her available in South African newspapers. -- asilvering (talk) 04:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)- Do you have actual sources? LibStar (talk) 05:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- You mean like the ones I said I added to the article? That I added to the article? -- asilvering (talk) 05:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have actual sources? LibStar (talk) 05:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mark Carlson (speedway rider) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Mark Carlson" speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Bosphorus Development (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotional article for a company that fails WP:NCORP. All sources are WP:ORGTRIV (routine coverage of market entries, financing, awards, etc.), WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (interviews, self-published materials), or otherwise unreliable sources. WP:BEFORE search turned up nothing validating notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 18:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as the minimal sources for establishing notablity are present and company is operating in two countries and is behind the biggest buildings in Turkey (Istanbul Tower 205, Istanbul aquarium) etc.--RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously we don't agree about the availability of WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS -- can you share your WP:THREE best sources for other editors to evaluate? (Notability is not WP:INHERITED from buildings this company may have been involved with.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep lean towards keep per WP NEXIST (Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article). The company had various names throughout its history, and it was mentioned in Turkish newspapers with no digital copies. I will try to add what I can find. 78.177.93.54 (talk) 08:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC) — 78.177.93.54 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Mentions of the company are not sufficient, WP:NCORP mandates significant coverage. Janhrach (talk) 09:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Per points above. The article was created by a blocked sock, and other substantial edits were mostly done by IPs. Aintabli (talk) 08:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep added not digital good sourcing from Turkish media. It’s quite large construction company (having built Istanbul Tower 205). It seems to meet notability criteria. Dirubii Olchoglu (talk) 08:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dirubii Olchoglu: The ConstructionNews URL you added to the article is dead and has never been archived by Wayback Machine, and constructionnews.com does not even seem like a website publishing articles. The book (curiously written by "J. Doe") doesn't seem to exist under this title, and the ISBN belongs to an edition of The Logic of Scientific Discovery. Could you clarify this situation? Janhrach (talk) 11:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dirubii Olchoglu Even if the Construction News article was accessible to us, it wouldn't count toward notability as a WP:TRADES publication. Regardless of its size or the projects it worked on, the company needs to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS; notability isn't WP:INHERITED from projects it was involved in. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the sources are kind of/minimum sufficient. The 100 years company is highly likely notable and has sources per NEXIST. It also should be rewritten to avoid any promo. --Loewstisch (talk) 10:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Keep !votes have asserted that minimal sources are present, but none have presented the sources they say meet the criteria. I have conducted the following source analysis and I do not see a single source that solidly passes the bar of WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS per WP:ORGCRIT. If there are more sources out there (and I didn't find any), "keep" !voters need to present them, not just assert they exist. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Ju Song-il (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Henry Long (speedway rider) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Red Ink Awards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable award. References are all announcements of winners and the majority are unreliable, falling under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. A WP:BEFORE was unable to locate significant coverage that talks about the reward itself. CNMall41 (talk) 03:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- ZipZoomfly (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I initially WP:PRODed this with the following rationale "Non-notable, defunct retailer. None of the current sources are actual coverage of the company in reliable sources, merely being things such as database listing or user generated content like reviews. Searching for sources under both the "ZipZoomfly" and "Googlegear" names did not turn up any coverage in reliable sources." An IP user contacted me on my Talk page requesting to contest the PROD with this rationale: "ZipZoomFly.com aka GoogleGear.com was an important part of early internet history and a popular place to shop before newegg was founded. The lawsuit between them and google.com (alphabet) was a noteworthy case of parody vs trademark. The page is worth keeping because their are lessons to be learned from it's downfall." I don't agree that reasoning is sufficient to address the sourcing issues that keep this company from passing the WP:GNG and WP:NCORP, but since the PROD was contested, I am moving it to AFD for discussion instead. Rorshacma (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- I generally agree with IP. The suit with Google over the naming was notable at the time, and as a computer retailer, they were well and widely known during their heyday - for example, on Anandtech, they were listed in price comparisons against NewEgg, TigerDirect, and Buy.com.[1] In the grander scheme of things, they were just an early online PC component retailer, but as a bit of early online history, they are modestly notable. I'd vote to keep it, but per notability guidelines I'm uncertain enough to say that we need more eyeballs on it to assess.
- I've updated and replaced a number of of the sources, just to conform better w/policy and guidelines. Regrettably, I could find no mention of their demise from reliable sources; only many comments within PC-focused forums at the time, which of course are not considered reliable. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC) cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Although I sympathize with the IP's and anastrophe's desire to keep early internet history, this company isn't notable. BEFORE didn't show any RS. Of the current references:
- 1 is paywalled, let's give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's a good reference.
- 2 is the Google suit, a primary document, fails RS
- 3, 4, 8, 9 are the company's own website, fails IS
- 5, 6 are user-generated reviews, fails RS
- 7 is simply a business listing, fails RS/SIGCOV
- anastrophe's find is a listing of comparable products from different retailers
- I see no sources that meet GNG or NORG. Even if reference #1 is acceptable, that's not enough to establish notability. StartGrammarTime (talk) 16:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- All perfectly legitimate arguments, and sorry for the paywall, didn't realize at the time. The WSJ article is a good, in-depth look at the company, with the president of the company quoted several times, and their efforts to keep customers engaged in the face of growing competition detailed. Here's a 'gift' link to the article for review if interested.[2]
- But, a single article in a genuinely reliable sources isn't enough. The (lack of a) preponderance of evidence in reliable sources establishing notability is prima facie. No objection to deletion (with a wee tear in my eye, heh). cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC) cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...And I'm not entirely certain of the propriety of sharing that 'gift' link here. By all means, let me know and I'll delete it if it's problematic. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, I was really hoping to find some great sources because the early internet (in all its Comic Sans, under-construction-gif, clashing color glory) was a magical place and preserving as much history as possible is fantastic. Let the children see what we had to do to simply visit a website, and we shall not speak of the trials of downloads! If there had been enough sources I would have been an enthusiastic keep, but alas... StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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- weak keep: Coverage here [2] and the website is talked about here [3]. These and the Wall Street Journal should be just enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 03:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yorktel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lack of notability established with WP:RS Amigao (talk) 03:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Kim Yu-song (footballer, born 2003) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup team. Simione001 (talk) 02:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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No notability shown, no unrelated refs showing notability Naraht (talk) 02:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Familial relationships of Errol Musk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Errol Musk is not in any way notable independent of his relation to Elon Musk. He ran for public office, but was never elected, but was only elected once to a local city council, he was an engineer, but didn't do anything of note. There is nothing about him is notable other than that he was the father of Elon Musk. Ergzay (talk) 01:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
He ran for public office, but was never elected
That's actually not correct, he was elected in '72 and served until the 80s. His 1983 resignation was front page news. Feoffer (talk) 05:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)- Ah I missed that, but that was a local city council. None of the people in my city council have wikipedia pages. Ergzay (talk) 06:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well he wasn't "just any" councilman, he was a vocally anti-apartheid English-speaking South African politician in 1972 Pretoria! Per Isaacson and many others, that's actually a really big deal in his time and place, but damned if I can find really good English-language sourcing which actually deep-dives into that part of his life story. Feoffer (talk) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- It could be great if there is a comparison on how vocal he was compared to the famous Helen Suzman. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a wikipedia page on even the contents of that 1972 city council? Did that 1972 city council do anything of note? Ergzay (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well he wasn't "just any" councilman, he was a vocally anti-apartheid English-speaking South African politician in 1972 Pretoria! Per Isaacson and many others, that's actually a really big deal in his time and place, but damned if I can find really good English-language sourcing which actually deep-dives into that part of his life story. Feoffer (talk) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah I missed that, but that was a local city council. None of the people in my city council have wikipedia pages. Ergzay (talk) 06:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Errol Musk does not meet the notability guidelines despite his connection with Elon Musk. His career achievements and political work are not notable on their own. His main claim to fame is that he is the father of Elon Musk. It's crucial to adhere to WP:BLP, and keeping a separate article about only Musk's family does not meet these standards.--AstridMitch (talk) 02:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep*: He is an antiracist fighter AND elected representative AND father of Elon Musk - this 3 together is enough for a wikipedia page. 2A00:1110:143:1160:D1BF:A9E6:C3C3:862D (talk) 10:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Ridiculous to have an article about someone's "familial relationships" without giving him his own article. Astaire (talk) 02:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it's like when we do "Death of so-and-so" for notable deaths. It's a reminder to readers that the current article doesn't (yet) cover Errol's political career in the depth required of a true BLP. Feoffer (talk) 05:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- A familial relationships article for Elon Musk would be more sane, in which case Errol Musk could be mentioned there, though I'd think it should still be just part of the Elon Musk article. Ergzay (talk) 06:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well that's an excellent point. I definitely think of it as a Elon sub-article: we don't need to litigate emerald mines and spousal abuse and false claims of funding or abandonment on Elon's literal BLP. Feoffer (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you mean by "Elon sub-article". If it's not valuable enough to put on the page on Elon Musk then it's probably not valuable enough to put on any page on Wikipedia. I'm not sure on this last point, but I think "biography of living persons" policies apply even if it's a spin-off of the main article. That's not a loophole of the rule. Ergzay (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:BLP:
Ergzay (talk) 00:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)BLP applies to all material about living persons anywhere on Wikipedia, including talk pages, edit summaries, user pages, images, categories, lists, article titles and drafts.
- BLP absolutely applies to ALL articles, I just meant we shouldn't be covering a notable abuser on one of their victim's biographical articles. Feoffer (talk) 14:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well that's an excellent point. I definitely think of it as a Elon sub-article: we don't need to litigate emerald mines and spousal abuse and false claims of funding or abandonment on Elon's literal BLP. Feoffer (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- A familial relationships article for Elon Musk would be more sane, in which case Errol Musk could be mentioned there, though I'd think it should still be just part of the Elon Musk article. Ergzay (talk) 06:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it's like when we do "Death of so-and-so" for notable deaths. It's a reminder to readers that the current article doesn't (yet) cover Errol's political career in the depth required of a true BLP. Feoffer (talk) 05:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as creator. GNG is met, he's been covered extensively in the press and in-depth in at least two different books. Ultimately, it's not fair to Maye Musk or Elon Musk to document Errol's extensive controversial public behavior on those articles, but neither is it fair to them for us simply to delete that verified information from the project. I haven't found fulltext access, but Afrikaans newspaper archive searches and the Isaacson book show Errol was a VERY notable person during his political career, long before Elon was an adult. Errol has a second claim to notability for his allegedly abusive relationships with Maye and Elon. Finally, Errol again became controversial for a marriage to a former stepdaughter (cf Soon-Yi Previn). Feoffer (talk) 04:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Even if this was notable, having it as a "familial relationships of" article makes 0 sense when it is basically a biography of him (focusing on his relationships because that's all the sources talk about!)
- The only thing here that's not directly related to, or from publications about, Elon or his ex wife is the "having a child with his stepdaughter" thing which is not enough to have an article on PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your words carry lots of weight with me. Are you saying we should just move this content into a BLP titled Errol Musk? And if not, do you have an opinion on where we SHOULD cover what is known about Errol? We've got 4 different BLPs from folks reliably alleging abuse at Errol's hands. I know @Ergzay: expressed a preference for covering it at Elon's BLP, but it seems unfair to me to single out one victim like that, when it's a multidecade pattern of abuse that pre- and post- dated Elons interactions. Errol's later promotion of conspiracy theories and admission of fathering multiple children with a stepchild obviously lend credence to their prior allegations. Feoffer (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, if there's to be something here, it should be a BLP. The content in this article is basically a BLP already. I believe there was already an AfD for the initial Errol Musk article though.
- An alternative could be some sort of... Musk family article? I mean, his family's certainly discussed and he's certainly not the only notable member. Singling out his dad, who does not have his own article, for an article to be based around, doesn't make much sense. But if it's notable as part of his whole family then maybe, idk.
- I'm not sure if either of these ideas are good, though, or if either is notable. Your point about his political career making him notable is a possibility but until sigcov related to that is presented the jury's still out. Not impossible though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for this feedback.
- I probably should have said somewhere that this article was created to hold content removed in Musk family (which was deleted on June 1) which had been merged from Errol Musk (merged into Musk Family in Sept 2023). I concur that a full BLP should wait for the South African source, but in the mean time, the victims really do deserve for it to be SOMEWHERE in Wikipedia.(/?) Feoffer (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not in the business of deciding what people "deserve". Please read WP:RGW. Astaire (talk) 12:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lol fair enough, I'm not on a crusade. but it's still verifiable content with exculpatory BLP implications for Elon and Maye. Feoffer (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Some of this content may belong somewhere on Wikipedia, but the current article is too flawed to stand. If it is really about "familial relationships", why does it discuss his business career, his election to city council and his game lodge? Why should anyone care that Errol claimed that Elon upgraded his home security system? Astaire (talk) 13:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Why should anyone care that Errol claimed that Elon upgraded his home security system?
- Because it contradicts the false claims in media (sourced to Errol) of Elon's supposed abandonment of a disabled parent. Feoffer (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Including that content with that justification is a WP:OR issue, unless reliable sources explicitly note the contradiction themselves. Astaire (talk) 13:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, any answer to your question about "why should anyone care" would be OR to put in article unless it was explicitly noted in RS. Feoffer (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Including that content with that justification is a WP:OR issue, unless reliable sources explicitly note the contradiction themselves. Astaire (talk) 13:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Some of this content may belong somewhere on Wikipedia, but the current article is too flawed to stand. If it is really about "familial relationships", why does it discuss his business career, his election to city council and his game lodge? Why should anyone care that Errol claimed that Elon upgraded his home security system? Astaire (talk) 13:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lol fair enough, I'm not on a crusade. but it's still verifiable content with exculpatory BLP implications for Elon and Maye. Feoffer (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not in the business of deciding what people "deserve". Please read WP:RGW. Astaire (talk) 12:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your words carry lots of weight with me. Are you saying we should just move this content into a BLP titled Errol Musk? And if not, do you have an opinion on where we SHOULD cover what is known about Errol? We've got 4 different BLPs from folks reliably alleging abuse at Errol's hands. I know @Ergzay: expressed a preference for covering it at Elon's BLP, but it seems unfair to me to single out one victim like that, when it's a multidecade pattern of abuse that pre- and post- dated Elons interactions. Errol's later promotion of conspiracy theories and admission of fathering multiple children with a stepchild obviously lend credence to their prior allegations. Feoffer (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify Weird article. Creator claims that there is more coverage of him out there, so I don't think a full delete is warranted. Either way, the article is not ready for mainspace. If the consensus ends up being to delete, that would be fine by me. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 06:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify or Delete I'm the one who submitted this, but I'm fine with either option. It doesn't make sense to have it as an article though. I'm not sure what moving it to a Draft could fix though. Ergzay (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I interpret draftify calls as me having jumped the gun by publishing it in mainspace before we got access to the sources on political career needed to make a full balanced BLP. I get it's an unorthodox title, but it's also a little bit of a blpvio to not document Errol's verifiably-checkered past somewhere, given his public attacks on family. I don't feel good about stuffing it all into the BLP of one of his victims. Feoffer (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The title is probably the biggest problem. Having an articles about the familial relationships of someone without having an article on the person themselves is a bit ridiculous. But there's lots of other issues beyond that, even if the page was moved, like the noteworthiness of the man himself and of anything he thinks beyond it's relation to Elon Musk. Ergzay (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I interpret draftify calls as me having jumped the gun by publishing it in mainspace before we got access to the sources on political career needed to make a full balanced BLP. I get it's an unorthodox title, but it's also a little bit of a blpvio to not document Errol's verifiably-checkered past somewhere, given his public attacks on family. I don't feel good about stuffing it all into the BLP of one of his victims. Feoffer (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify Plenty of notable source material for an article about the man more so than his "relations", especially since Musk Family got effectively yeeted. QRep2020 (talk) 16:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and rename as Errol Musk - Numerous sources discuss his own life, so that his bio would easily pass GNG. Surely his son's fame directed attention to him, just like Maye Musk, Kimbal Musk and Tosca Musk; we've got plenty of coverage for those individuals as well, who arguably wouldn't be notably featured in the press if Elon's life hadn't attracted so much scrutiny. Ironic that notability is not inherited, though in this case the hyper-notability of one person did engender notability of various family members... — JFG talk 10:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify with instructions to either make the article titled Errol Musk, or Family of Elon Musk. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also fine with keeping this at Errol Musk, and either splitting the "family" material to a new article, or removing it. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- AFD is a blunt tool. We can't close a discussion with editing instructions. That's left to editors if the article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 02:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't a notable topic, but some of the content could be saved for a different topic. The only "blunt" option available is to draftify it until that tension is resolved. Walsh90210 (talk) 14:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- AFD is a blunt tool. We can't close a discussion with editing instructions. That's left to editors if the article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 02:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also fine with keeping this at Errol Musk, and either splitting the "family" material to a new article, or removing it. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and move to Errol Musk. I think there is probably enough written about him in RS to satisfy WP:GNG. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, Moving is an editorial act that will be discussed if an article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 02:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- AFDs end with consensus to Merge all the time. Feoffer (talk) 11:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Feoffer, I know this, I close a lot of AFD discussions. The editor did not say Merge they said Move and that's what I Was responding to. Liz Read! Talk! 02:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, Moving is an editorial act that will be discussed if an article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 02:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting this discussion as there is still no consensus. Of interest, is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Musk family (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Errol Musk. I don't think that this article can be moved to Errol Musk as that page has an extensive page history that shouldn't be deleted, there could be issues with attribution.
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- International Franchise Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article was previously deleted in 2013 after an AfD. Recreated in 2020. I don't see any reason to dispute the result of that AfD; there is still little in-depth coverage cited on this page. Outside of the Supreme Court case (which appears to have been sparsely covered), the only coverage is a few mentions from minor trade publications. I tried looking for more on Google, but all I could find were press releases. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: In-depth coverage from independent and reliable sources is needed to meet WP:GNG. Its small role in a Supreme Court case does not make it notable.--AstridMitch (talk) 04:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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- List of games televised on ESPN Saturday Primetime (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm not finding any sources discussing these games as a group, which are only connected by a single television package. As such, WP:LISTN is not met. Let'srun (talk) 01:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom; I searched and could not find any independent reliable sources offering significant coverage of this list as a group or set. Left guide (talk) 04:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Zaine Kennedy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Almost all the sourcing is not third party but speedway related. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. The fact that the sources are related to the speedway does not make them non-independent. Per WP:GNG "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. These sources could be considered affiliated with him if, for example, he were their owner. I would add a few more secondary sources [4] [5] [6] Tau Corvi (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have set up a discussion here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Speedway_related_sources. LibStar (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I saw the RSN discussion first, so I do not plan to vote, but to give my opinion from my limited perspective. Having taken a look at Scunthorpe Scorpions, which looks like two different teams on one article, I can count about five dozen riders that have articles. Of the "Notable riders," most of them use "speedway related sources" in their articles with British Speedway cited between two and three dozen times. (More problematic, but farther outside of the discussion is that at least one article is citing sources that are MREL and GUNREL.)Overall, the issue over the specific sources is going to have an effect on other articles. If deemed a problem, then there will need to be more AfD discussions in the near future; while if deemed acceptable could lead to additional article creations. I am of the opinion that redirects to the team articles could be more preferred than deletion and that some information might be includable in the various team articles. That said, I am unsure if the sources are a problem on these rider articles. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)- Delete per nom. Lacking in WP:SIGCOV. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Minimal significant coverage, no real claim of notability. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: This BLP lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: It would be helpful to get an actual assessment of sources brought up in this discussion rather than general statements about the article lacking sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)- 2 of the 3 sources brought up are not independent as discussed in reliable sources. The article subject still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 01:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Brock Berryhill (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Found no coverage of the artist beyond the one MusicRow article already present. Passing mentions for credits on notable musicians' songs does not make notability here. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Equestrian who does not satisfy sports notability. There are two references. The first one is a database entry, and database entries do not establish sports notability. The second is an obituary, which may count toward general notability but is the only significant source. He competed in the Olympics, but does not have Olympic notability because he did not receive a medal.
Reference Number | Reference | Comments | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
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1 | https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ma/marek-malecki-1.html | A Wayback Machine copy of a database entry of sports statistics | Yes | No | Yes | No |
2 | hejnakon.pl | Obituary in Polish equestrian magazine. | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
The Heymann criterion is to find additional sources within six days.
- Draftify as nominator, to allow six months to find better coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- List of career achievements by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Similar to other articles in the Career achievements of basketball players category, this is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections, which is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS and does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NLIST. The most pertinent info is already included in the main article. Let'srun (talk) 00:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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This is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections, which is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS. The most pertinent info is already included in the main article. Let'srun (talk) 00:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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I was unable to find any evidence verifying notability for this team under the WP:GNG. From what I can tell, the WBSC does not even have the team ranked as seen at [[7]]. Let'srun (talk) 00:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Since the last AfD, we are a lot stricter of notability of schools. Could not find sources to meet WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 00:34, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Looked for online sources. Could only find this passing mention. If school were older, I'd wonder about print sources, but as it is I don't think we have anything. Considered redirect to Akbarpur, Kanpur Dehat, but as there is so little referenced content I think Delete is the better option. Tacyarg (talk) 00:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Looked online, google scholar, and a newspaper archive and couldn't find anything. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)