Talk:Toyota Camry

Adding info on JDM cars

Do u mind if I add some info on JDM as well as European Camrys?? Would u mind me putting it as a subsection within each generation??

Senna6094

I don't want to make it seem like permission is required—but, I have absolutely no objection to inclusion of Euro/JDM information in the article. I encourage it, and I'm looking forward to reading about cars that I don't see every day. --Milkmandan 02:08, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)

I asked cos the article is already very impressive, & I'm sure u've spent a lot of time on it, including the layout design. The Camry has a complicated model branchline (as most Japanese cars in the 70/80/90's do), so it would be very easy to make the article hard to read by not giving thought to the article's layout, as there are a lot of extra info.

Senna6094

years, and engines missed

i was looking through the Camry section, and found that you forgot the 1992-1993 V6 motor. it was the 3.0L 4 cam 3VZ-FE. Also the third generation was from 1992-1996.

(this was on the right hand column)

Wrong Transmission Descriptions

The A140E is a four speed (three speed + overdrive), just like the A540's and A541s

Kanye West

Moved this in from the article, doesn't make much sense to me: "Toyota Camry is mention alot when rapper Kanye West Raps in DJ Khaled Grammy Family"

miles per gallon?

I think this article, and indeed all articles about various makes of automobiles, should include information about miles per gallon. It could go in the little "stat" box on the right, even.

I suggest this because that is why *I* looked this article up, but was not able to find the information. Mpg is increasingly becoming a bigger and bigger concern for drivers.

India production

Gonna leave these links here:

• https://www.autocarindia.com/car-news/toyota-camry-facelift-revealed-419257
• https://www.autocarindia.com/car-news/new-toyota-camry-india-bound-in-2019-409274

There are further search hits for relevant terms.

Samsara 02:15, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

That tells us about India sales but says nothing about India production.  Stepho  talk  20:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

2023/2024 facelifts vs new generations

Does anybody know (and I mean really know, not just guessing) if the Camry being released in Nov 2023 is a face-lift or a new generation? Same question for Nov 2024. A face-lift will continue the XU70 model code. A new generation will have a new model code (presumably XU80 but Toyota do like to break their own pattern). From recent press teases, I'm not quite clear if they are representing the the same vehicle release or teasing 2 separate releases a year apart.  Stepho  talk  06:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Change.org petition

Anonymous users—who I suspect are sockpuppets of the same person, based on their awkward grammar—have repeatedly added information to the XV80 section about a a change.org petition that has, as I write this, gathered about 200 signatures (about one signature per 41 million residents of the planet, so it's not exactly a mass movement). Can we build consensus that this information is non-encyclopedic WP:CRUFT that is inappropriate to add to this article per WP:UGC and WP:NOTEVERYTHING? I can envision Wikipedia automotive articles drowning in trivial or puerile online petitions if this sort of thing is allowed to stand. Carguychris (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, it is cruft. With such a small number of signatures compared to the cost of developing that engine to meet emission laws and the cost of certifying it (a non-trivial amount), Toyota is almost certainly going to ignore it.  Stepho  talk  22:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Toyota will approve it. & According to this, a petition on Change.org began in November 2023 by Andrew Huynh, requested fans of the Camry to petition Toyota to bring the V6 back for model year 2026. By July 2024 it had received over 250+ signatures. 2600:8801:9B13:EC00:385E:2169:7EBC:BE22 (talk) 01:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

If Toyota approves it (not when, we are not a WP:CRYSTALBALL), then this might be worthy of inclusion. Unless and until that happens, this information is cruft. - ZLEA _T\^C 02:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

8 months and only 253 signatures. Oh dear!

And the Carbuzz article says in its summary at the top "V6 is unlikely to return.

Nothing more we need to say.  Stepho  talk  09:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I think they'll need to restore the V6 for 2026, if they go to Change.org online & search up Keyword: Toyota Camry V6. 2600:8801:9B13:EC00:2DF6:2C51:EEB8:5F65 (talk) 12:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Stepho-wrs, You know who this is, @SOTProductions (Otherwise known as Andrew Huynh) & I was the one who started the petition on Change.org & it had 252 known Signatures as of July 2024. SOTProductions (talk) 13:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Not clear if you are saying Huynh is SOTProductions or if he is 2600:8801:9B13:EC00:385E:2169:7EBC:BE22 . Either way, it falls under WP:COI conflict of interest if he is actively trying to add his petition to the WP article.

253 signatures as of 23 July 2024. Compared to 290,649 sales in the US in 2023, that is about 0.1%. And it's cheap to put a signature on a petition. How many of those would translate into real sales? Remember that Toyota has to design that engine, prepare factories for it and certify it. I've been a part of designing engine EFI systems and their certification - not cheap! Toyota will want to recoup their costs and at 253 sales the figures do not add up.

Also, the 301 hp V6 can be replaced by the 340 hp hybrid engine - as suggested by the Carbuzz article. This engine is already used in the Crown and is more likely to be used going forward than an obsolete engine.

So this is all just wishful thinking by Huynh.  Stepho  talk  00:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

You know I’m right. - Andrew Huynh 174.77.220.178 (talk) 00:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Think of it this way. If you're so sure Toyota will act on your petition, then you should not need to advertise it on Wikipedia. In the off chance that something actually comes of it, then we might consider covering your petition here. - ZLEA _T\^C 01:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)