Template talk:Infobox political party

RfC: Key positions parameter

I have noticed that a new convention has formed regarding the ideology parameter, which is to only put one or two all-encompassing ideologies (see Labour Party (UK)). It used to be the case that the ideology parameter had five or so more specific entries that gave the reader a good impression of the party at a glance (see Bharatiya Janata Party).

In light of this, I think a 'Key positions' parameter would be a good addition which has, say maximum five entries which editors agree on, including regarding their order, and they would be based on citations from recent academia. The policy on this could distinguish between social, economic, national, and international positions to ensure a wide coverage. A national one could be say Unionism for a UK party, and an international one could be Euroscepticism for a European party.

The name 'Key positions' is problematic as there are political jobs also called positions, however I can't think of a better term. Maybe 'Political positions'? Alexanderkowal (talk) 18:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I've mentioned this on the wiki project politics page Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I have deactivated the edit request template until there is consensus about what should be added and how, preferably by making changes to the sandbox version of the template. I have no opinion on the merits of the proposal except that "key positions" is a confusing name, because "position" can mean both "ideological stance on an issue" and "job held by a person within an organization". Use different wording. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed but I couldn’t think of better wording Alexanderkowal (talk) 18:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

There hasn’t been any engagement w this and it’s been archived on the WP talk page so I’m not sure what to do. Would “Key policy positions” work? Alexanderkowal (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Moving "europarl =" up a notch

Hi,

I want to propose a small change: moving a party's affiliation to a parliamentary group in the European Parliament ("europarl = ") before "continental affiliation" and "international affiliation". Here is my reasoning.

Currently, we have an order that follows a growing geographical focus: national, regional, European, continental, and international. Placing "europarl" after "international" is therefore not geographically logical. One might argue that the first series is for political parties (and therefore includes European political parties at the right level), while "europarl" is for parliamentary affiliation. This is true, but, apart from European parties, supra-national parties do not really exist, and "continental" and "international" affiliations are affiliations to broad political alliances, not to actual international political parties. European parliamentary groups are much more homogeneous and "effective" or "concrete" than international affiliations.

Finally, in practice with the current order, the infobox for European parties shows the ideology, then political position, then international affiliation, and finally EP affiliation. Given the tenuousness of international affiliation compared to EP group affiliation, this does not seem appropriate. The same goes for national parties across Europe, where EP affiliation is more important than international affiliation.

This change would, of course, not have an impact on non-EU parties, since their "europarl" field is empty.

Thanks!

Julius Schwarz (talk) 10:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Impru20 and Number 57: What do you guys think? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, makes sense to me to list it under European affiliation, as the next level above that is the European Parliament groups. Number 57 18:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree to that. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 18:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

To be clear, the proposal was not to "list the EP group under European affiliation" (that's already used for affiliation to a European political party and that makes sense to me -- affiliation is closely associated with party membership). The proposal was just to move EP group information a bit up. Are we clear on this (just checking)? Julius Schwarz (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Julius Schwarz: Probably best to expand it to include the EU group, as it looks like it's out on a limb by it not being above the EU party parametre. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not sure I understand. The infobox already includes both "European party membership" (as "European affiliation") and "EP group membership" (as "European Parliament group"). The only issue in my view is the ordering (those two should be one after the other). Am I missing something? Julius Schwarz (talk) 18:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Julius Schwarz: Nope. 57 was suggesting that the EU group should be included in the move too, as it is below the continental affiliation parametre, at the moment. If that were to be included (which it can), I would support that too. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

No I wasn't. I was just agreeing with the original suggestion to move European Parliament affiliation above continental affiliation and below European affiliation. That's the only one that needs to be moved as far as I can see. I'm not sure what the confusion is... Number 57 20:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Great! But the EU group is the only thing that I propose to move in any case. Julius Schwarz (talk) 19:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I know, but you can always expand it, if you feel like it. I'm sure you'll find support for it too :) ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. Moving the EP group entry just below "European affiliation" would be a good start. How do we go about this? Is anyone here an admin? I do not have rights to make this change. Julius Schwarz (talk) 19:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Julius Schwarz: No, I'm saying you should include it in you proposal. You can expand on your proposal to include this. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 19:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Nope. I agree with your suggestion. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 29 June 2024

Description of suggested change:

I propose moving a party's membership of a parliamentary group in the European Parliament ("europarl = ") before "continental affiliation" and "international affiliation".

Here is the reasoning. Currently, the order follows a growing geographical focus: national, regional, European, continental, and international. Placing "europarl" after "international" is therefore not geographically logical. One might argue that the first series is for political parties (and therefore includes European political parties at the right level), while "europarl" is for parliamentary affiliation. This is true, but, apart from European parties, supra-national parties do not really exist, and "continental" and "international" affiliations are affiliations to broad political alliances, not to actual international political parties. European parliamentary groups are much more homogeneous and "effective" or "concrete" than international affiliations.

Finally, in practice with the current order, the infobox for European parties shows the ideology, then political position, then international affiliation, and finally EP affiliation. Given the tenuousness of international affiliation compared to EP group affiliation, this does not seem appropriate. The same goes for national parties across Europe, where EP affiliation is more important than international affiliation.

This change would, of course, not have an impact on non-EU parties, since their "europarl" field is empty.

Diff:

| label49 = European Parliament group | class49 = category | data49 =

| label50 = Continental affiliation | class50 = category | data50 =

| label51 = International affiliation | class51 = category | data51 =

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CHANGED_TEXT

Julius Schwarz (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. Number 57 23:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)