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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]
List of historic places in Gore District
- Nominator(s): Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another one on my goal to (a long, long time down the line) get a list of the Heritage New Zealand historic places for each of the 67 territorial authorities of New Zealand. Poor Gore is one of the smallest districts by population, and it shows; there are only 6 entries in the district, while neighboring Clutha and Southland have 65 and 44 respectively. Nevertheless, this wouldn't make sense as part of anything else, so out of the interests of completeness, I bring it here! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Driveby cmt and image review by Queen of Hearts
Is there any particular reason for a SFN to the Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga Act? It isn't citing multiple sections and all the other cites are long. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 18:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I did it that way on my other, but you're right that it's not strictly necessary. I'll change it to a long cite. - G
And I'll come back to try my best at an img review:
- All images should probably have {{FoP-New Zealand}}
- File:Cremoata (30746745724).jpg - From a fine-looking Flickr account, passed FlickreviewR, and NZ has freedom of panorama for 3D works; FoP-New Zealand and it'll be good
- File:MA I836111 TePapa Presbyterian-Church-Gore.jpg - wouldn't {{PD-New Zealand}} be better? also add {{PD-US-expired}}
- File:Fleming's Creamoata Mill complex Gore New Zealand.jpg - claimed own work by a well-established WPedian; FoP-New Zealand and it'll be good
- Alts look fine
Queen of Hearts talk 18:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Initial comment: The other articles in Category:Lists of historic places in New Zealand include a column for images. I'd recommend the same here. Reywas92Talk 18:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Sources match what they are being cited for
Feedback:
- Ref 1 – Add
|via=Internet Archive
- Change the column header from "Citation" to
{{abbr|Ref.|Reference}}
- Gore Presbyterian Church row – Partway through the paragraph the text starts on a new line. Not noticable until I try to sort the columns, but it is an issue.
- Move the first image in the list below the use dmy dates template
- I recognize the source may capitalize "(Former)", but it's not a proper name and should be downcased to "former".
- You should run IABot to add some archive links
- Ref 5 – Should the title be "Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga Act 2014" instead of "Heritage New Zealand Pouhere Taonga Act"? The source looks like it includes "2014" in the title.
Overall, I found no issues with the reliability or formatting of references. Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima: Note that I tweaked by feedback for ref 1 and an additional piece of feedback that was based on the bibliography that you converted to a reference. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: Okay, I think i fixed everything! IABot hasn't ran yet, but I told it to. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 14:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: Okay, I think i fixed everything! IABot hasn't ran yet, but I told it to. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 14:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Lead image could be made larger
- "Former passanger station of the Main South Line" - second word is spelt wrong
- That's all I got - great work!! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Okay! Fixed :) Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 14:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dylan620
Disclosure: while I had already been aware of this nomination, I found out through a short interaction on Discord that this still needed another review. Images and sources have already been covered, so I'm gonna do a prose review. Some comments:
- First settled by the Māori, European occupation began in the early 1850s, – I'm unsure of the way this part of the sentence is grammatically structured. It seems to imply that European occupation was itself first settled by the Māori, which doesn't make sense.
- Rephrased to make it a bit clearer. -G
- Additions, including a session house, were added by William Sharp in 1892. – Additions were added? I feel like this could be tweaked a bit.
- Rephrased. - G
- the church saw large scale repairs – Feel free to demur if this is a valid stylistic choice, but my instinct is that this should be hyphenated as "large-scale".
- Yeah, good idea. Fixed. - G
- Restoration work was taken on the church – I don't know if this is a valid grammatical application of the phrase "taken on". Maybe rephrasing to "the church was restored/renovated" would work?
- Good idea, fixed. - G
- Does railway windmill need to be redlinked? The phrase "railway windmill" should obviously stay, but I think shortening the wikilink to windmill would suffice.
- Good idea. - G
- Clematis Cottage description – This is a total nitpick, but linking the two sentences with a semicolon would flow better IMO.
- Good idea. -G
- Bank of New Zealand (former) description – It may be worth mentioning/clarifying that the building was constructed around 20 years after the Mataura BNZ became the third BNZ outlet in Southland.
- Good idea! - G
- There are a couple incomplete sentences in the bottom half of the 'notes' column that I feel could be tweaked for flow. Suggested revisions:
- A new station was built the following year, designed by George Alexander Troup. Still in use as a freight station. → A new station, designed by George Alexander Troup, was built the following year and is still in use as a freight station.
- Saw rapid expansion → The mill saw rapid expansion
Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dylan620: Thank you so much! I think I fixed all of these. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima: We're close to the point where I would support. The only thing that I still recommend changing would be to reduce the number of incomplete sentences in the Bank of New Zealand (former) description. I'm going to reproduce the text here, with my suggested changes bolded: The building was constructed twenty years after the Bank of New Zealand's initial expansion in Mataura as its third outlet in Southland, and operated until the decline of business in the town in the 1970s. I almost made these changes myself, but got cold feet because I didn't want to feel like I was overstepping as a reviewer. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dylan620: There we go! Thank you. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima: We're good to go! Support. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dylan620: There we go! Thank you. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima: We're close to the point where I would support. The only thing that I still recommend changing would be to reduce the number of incomplete sentences in the Bank of New Zealand (former) description. I'm going to reproduce the text here, with my suggested changes bolded: The building was constructed twenty years after the Bank of New Zealand's initial expansion in Mataura as its third outlet in Southland, and operated until the decline of business in the town in the 1970s. I almost made these changes myself, but got cold feet because I didn't want to feel like I was overstepping as a reviewer. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC) [2].[reply]
World Figure Skating Championships cumulative medal count
- Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because a lot of time was spent by several editors to bring this article in line with Wikipedia standards, including properly formatting the tables so that they meet the requirements of MOS:ACCESS, so that tables display the most up-to-date information with proper sourcing, and so that the formatting matches the formatting used on other quality figure skating articles. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by comment
- At just two sentences, the lead is much shorter than is expected for a FL. It could do with bulking out with a very brief overview of the history of the event and some key points about the people and nations with most medals. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have expanded the lead per your suggestion. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I too have a drive-by comment. You're missing row and columns scopes in a number of tables, which are crucial for accessibility. See PresN's standard comment here for some advice.Hey man im josh (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]- I was sure I had properly formatted all of the tables. I will of course double-check all of them this afternoon and make any appropriate corrections. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey man im josh, are you referring to the medals by country tables? If so, that’s a template and I wouldn’t know how to change its parameters. The only thing I could do is render it as a table, which I, of course, can do if necessary. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- On review, yes, it looks like it's the medals by country tables. I'm actually seeing the same thing with all of medal tables under Wikipedia:Featured_lists#Olympic_and_Paralympic_Games. Is there an exception or are the medal tables formatted in a way that's already accessible @PresN? Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Assuming we're talking about the {{Medals table}} under e.g. Total medal count by nation, it's fine- the're no visual indication, but the colscopes and rowscopes (using the Nation column cells) are set by the template, I verified in the html. --PresN 14:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's good to know, I'll make a mental note of that. Thanks PresN! Hey man im josh (talk) 14:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Assuming we're talking about the {{Medals table}} under e.g. Total medal count by nation, it's fine- the're no visual indication, but the colscopes and rowscopes (using the Nation column cells) are set by the template, I verified in the html. --PresN 14:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- On review, yes, it looks like it's the medals by country tables. I'm actually seeing the same thing with all of medal tables under Wikipedia:Featured_lists#Olympic_and_Paralympic_Games. Is there an exception or are the medal tables formatted in a way that's already accessible @PresN? Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- PresN, can you verify that the tables in this article meet the requirements of MOS:ACCESS? I believe we have caught everything, but if there is anything that we've missed, please let me know. Thank you so much! Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "Since 1903, only men can attend the event" => "Since 1903, only men can compete in the event" (saying that "only men can attend" would imply that women aren't even allowed in the audience)
- "He won ten gold medals in a row; however, this feat was not achieved at back-to-back events, as he didn't compete at the 1906 World Championships in Munich, Germany" - none of this is sourced
- Also "didn't" should be written in full as "did not"
- "The record for most back-to-back titles is held by Austrian Karl Schäfer with seven gold medals." - not sourced
- Image caption: "Hayes Alan Jenkins (left) and his brother David (right) won together seven gold medals and four bronze medals for the United States in men's singles." => "Hayes Alan Jenkins (left) and his brother David (right) won a combined seven gold medals and four bronze medals for the United States in men's singles."
- "which reflects on the men's singles medal table" => "which is included in the men's singles medal table"
- Image caption: "Dick Button won the most gold medals in men's singles at the World Championships in the post-war era. He won all five gold medals at back-to-back events." - last sentence is not sourced
- "Sonja Henie from Norway holds the record in women's singles for total medals won (with eleven) and the most gold medals won (with ten), which is also the longest winning streak at back-to-back events in this discipline" - last bit is not sourced
- "Irina Rodnina and Alexander Zaitsev from the Soviet Union hold the record for the most gold medals won in pair skating and the longest winning streak at back-to-back events (with six)" - last bit is not sourced
- "while the record for most the most bronze medals is held by Shae-Lynn Bourne and Victor Kraatz from Canada (with four)" - "most the most"?
- Image caption: "Sonja Henie and Karl Schäfer have together won a total of seventeen gold medals at the World Championships." => "Sonja Henie and Karl Schäfer won a total of seventeen gold medals at the World Championships."
- I would suggest a footnote to explain why "Figure Skating Federation of Russia", which isn't a nation, appears in some of the "by nation" tables -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback! All of these issues have been addressed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image review from Dylan620
- Alt text is present for every image used in the listicle.
- All images contribute encyclopedic value to the listicle.
- Dead link source for File:Alan and David Jenkins 1956.jpg accepted in good faith. Same goes for File:Gabriella Papadakis and Guillaume Cizeron 2016.jpg, File:2010 World Figure Skating Championships Dance - Tessa VIRTUE - Scott MOIR - Gold Medal - 0615a.jpg, and File:Aliona Savchenko & Robin Szolkowy Podium 2008 Worlds.jpg – for these three images, permissions were verified/obtained by VRT.
- While the source URL for File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-H1219-0016-001, Ludmilla Pachomowa, Alexander Gorschkow.jpg is live, the image is no longer viewable there; I am going to presume that the image was viewable there at the time it was uploaded to Commons in December 2008.
- All images are appropriately licensed for either public domain or Creative Commons.
Support based on image review. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Kavyansh
- "With the exception of the Olympic title, a world title is considered to be the highest competitive achievement in figure skating." — This is in the lead and is uncited, so I expected it to be somewhere cited in the article. I can't find it, can you help.
- "Irina Rodnina won" — The reader has been introduced to her first name is the immediately previous sentence, she could be referred just by her last name.
- Why is East Germany linked when all other countries or places are not? I'm not asking you to unlink it, just curious about your approach towards wiki-links here.
- "Figure Skating: A History" v. "Figure skating: a history". Lets capitalize each word.
- Do we need ISU link in the External links section when we have already cited it multiple times in the article.
Thats about it! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- All of these have been addressed except for #3 and #5. I assume East Germany is linked because it no longer exists? I left the link in the External links section because that seems consistent with other international figure skating competition articles, but I have no objection if someone else wants to remove it. Thank you for your input! Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed, regular review passed, promoting. --PresN 01:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC) [3].[reply]
List of Jewish Major League Baseball players
- Nominator(s): Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because it is a complete as per the given criteria in the article, is well sourced and, IMO, clears the requirements for FLC. To my surprise, the topic of Jewish MLB players is well documented but there was no Wikipedia article on it. So I tried to capture the importance of baseball in Jewish American history and then used a criteria which is strictly for players who identified as Jewish during ("during" being the key word) their MLB careers. I tried to find as many reliable sources as I could and highlighted the star players of their times. I also took inspiration and instruction from similar MLB lists which are featured lists. I hope I did it justice. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- I only have time to look at the lead at the moment, but this is what I got on that:
- No list should start with "the following is a list". Look at other FLCs and find a way to write a more engaging opening.
- "players who have at least one Jewish parent" => "players who have or had at least one Jewish parent"
- Don't have bullet points in the lead, convert this into prose
- "The criteria for this list has" - "criteria" is a plural word so it should be "have"
- Per MOS:NOBOLD, bold should not be used to identify entries meeting certain criteria. Use a symbol like {{doubledagger}} instead
- "an virtual museum" => "a virtual museum"
- "with two players, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax being considered" => "with two players, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax, being considered"
- More later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, thank you. Will be adding your suggestions ASAP. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Right, I've rewritten the lede with your suggestions. Please give feedback whenever you can. Thank you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
- "with Lip Pike being the first one ever" => "with Lip Pike being the first"
- "20th-century" doesn't need a hyphen
- "Jewish players who made it to the Major Leagues often changed their name" => "Jewish players who made it to the Major Leagues often changed their names"
- "at the rampant in the country and the league" => "at the time rampant in the country and the league"
- "and the alleged involvement Jewish crime boss" => "and the alleged involvement of Jewish crime boss"
- "Greenberg played in Detroit which was home to Father Coughlin" => "Greenberg played in Detroit, which was home to Father Coughlin"
- "an antisemitic Catholic priest who used his radio program to broadcast antisemitic commentary and Henry Ford who spread antisemitism through his newspaper" - don't think you need to say "antisemitic" three times in such quick succession. I think you can get away with losing the first one.
- "He faced antisemitism from opposing benches and fans" - yet another one there. Maybe change this one to "abuse"
- "The most famous of those would be Sandy Koufax" => "The most famous of those was Sandy Koufax"
- "While Greenberg and Koufax were the main subjects of the film, the movie also discusses" - these two verbs should be in the same tense
- In the table header, "Major League Team(s)" shouldn't have a capital T on the last word as it isn't a proper noun
- I don't think the teams column needs to be sortable, as it will only ever sort on the first team listed
- Almost all of the image captions in the gallery contain facts which aren't cited anywhere else in the article, so they will need citing here -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, getting right on it. Thanks. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And good catch with the "antisemitic priest who spread antisemitism" - I didn't realize! Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, I got the facts from citations next to each players' names. Its why I didn't add any to the captions. I thought it unnecessary. The rest of the changes you suggested I have done though. ETA: and, of course, the articles of each player list the facts in further detail as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For 100% watertight referencing, I would duplicate whichever ref contains the fact in the image caption -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, I've done so and also added a few more references. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, just a reminder that I added the references to the pictures too. Is there anything else that needs to be added or changed? Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, I've done so and also added a few more references. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For 100% watertight referencing, I would duplicate whichever ref contains the fact in the image caption -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, I got the facts from citations next to each players' names. Its why I didn't add any to the captions. I thought it unnecessary. The rest of the changes you suggested I have done though. ETA: and, of course, the articles of each player list the facts in further detail as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.|{{sort name|Cal|Abrams}}
becomes!scope=row |{{sort name|Cal|Abrams}}
. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 20:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @PresN, I've edited the tables as you have said. No questions but please check if I did it correctly. Thank you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824
- "existance" to "existence".
- "late 19th-century and" to "late 19th-century, and".
- "This includes players who converted during or before their careers or players who have or had at least one Jewish parent and identified as Jewish by virtue of their parentage." to "This includes players who converted during or before their careers, and players who have or had at least one Jewish parent, and identified as Jewish by virtue of their parentage." Also I'm unsure if the sentence should start with "This" or "These".
- "rampant antisemitism and remain" to "rampant antisemitism, and remain"
- "It also talks about Jewish immigration" to "talked", since that is the tense used in the previous sentence.
- I think you can stop sorting of the notes columns. You should definitely make the Refs columns unsortable.
- The image captions in the gallery aren't full sentences and so don't need full-stops.
- See if you replace "winningest" with something else.
- Run IABot on the article.
- That's all I got for now. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824, done. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image review from Dylan620
- Sourcing for each image checks out, though I did head over to Commons to fix some source URLs (see my recent edits there)
- Alt text is present for all images
- Each image contributes encyclopedic value to the listicle
- All images are appropriately licensed for either public domain or Creative Commons
- The ref for the Sid Gordon caption, unless I'm missing something, doesn't seem to verify that he was "considered one of the best all-round players of his time"
- The ref for the Ryan Braun caption does not appear to verify any of the information therein, though it does have material that could be useful for a caption
Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dylan620, I've edited the two captions to match the info in the source provided next to them. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dylan620, is there anything else or is everything fine with the images? Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, sorry, I meant to respond earlier today but got distracted. Everything looks good to me now. Support. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed, regular review passed, promoting. --PresN 01:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC) [4].[reply]
List of World Heritage Sites in Tunisia
- Nominator(s): Tone 20:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tunisia has nine World Heritage sites and 15 sites on the tentative lists. Several ancient cities and Roman remains, as well as desert locations. Standard style. The list for Morocco is already seeing some support so I am adding a new nomination. Tone 20:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know if there is a hard-and-fast rule, but I've noticed that nominators wait for 2 (or more) supports on an older nomination before starting a new one. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824
- "because of construction" to "because of the construction" - in the lead and the table
- " resulted in reduction of vegetation and drop in bird numbers" to " resulted in a reduction of vegetation and a drop in bird numbers" - in the lead and the table
- "between the 12th to the 16th centuries" to "between the 12th and 16th centuries"
- wikilink "Islamic world"
- " series of wars until the" to " series of wars, until the"
- wikilink necropolis
- The sentences about minor boundary changes don't seem important to the list.
- "listed endangered" to "listed as endangered".
- "By 2006, the situation has improved" to "By 2006, the situation had improved"
- "As opposed to several Phoenician cities, such as Carthage, Byblos, or Tyre," to "Unlike other Phoenician cities, such as Carthage, Byblos, or Tyre,"
- "The ruins, which date to the 4th and 3th centuries BCE and were discovered in 1952, provide an important insight into the Punic urban planning." to "The ruins, which date to the 4th and 3th centuries BCE were rediscovered in 1952, and provide an important insight into Punic urban planning."
- "under the Aghlabids as a part of" to "under the Aghlabids, as a part of"
- "The medina has been well preserved, with several monuments, including the Ribat, which is both a fortification and a religious building, the Great Mosque (pictured), the kasbah, the Bou Ftata Mosque, and fortifications." - too long and complicated. Please split.
- "important Libyan–Punic settlement which" to "important Libyan–Punic settlement, which"
- "lives here while" to "lives here, while".
- "have been reintroduced" to "were reintroduced".
- "mammals and reptiles and it" to "mammals and reptiles, and it".
- I'll continue later. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Continuing...
- "As opposed to several sections of Roman Limes" to "Unlike several sections of Roman Limes".
- "Sfax was the gateway and the port of Ifriqiya to the Levant." to "Sfax was the port of the Ifriqiya region, and its gateway to the Levant".
- "Geological formation" to "The geological formation" in two entries.
- "extinction event supporting" to "extinction event, supporting".
- A couple of the refs are missing archive links.
- That's all I got. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, thanks! I am trying to list the boundary modifications, either major (which get extra explanation) or minor, because this is still relevant - it is a list of WHS after all. And it explains why some numbers have bis or ter attached - I've had questions on that before :) Tone 08:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "By 2006 the situation has improved" => "By 2006 the situation had improved"
- "The ruins, which date to the 4th and 3th centuries BCE were discovered in 1952" => "The ruins, which date to the 4th and 3th centuries BCE, were discovered in 1952"
- "The island of Djerba has a semi dry climate" => "The island of Djerba has a semi-dry climate"
- That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed! Two of these were already mentioned above and I just took care of them :) Tone 09:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You still have "By 2006 the situation has improved" in the lead...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Right, fixed now :) Tone 14:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You still have "By 2006 the situation has improved" in the lead...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed! Two of these were already mentioned above and I just took care of them :) Tone 09:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on 10 sources match what they are being cited for
Hey man im josh (talk) 13:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Billboard Easy Listening number ones of 1966
- Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's another list of the number ones on the chart for songs that the parents of the rock and roll kids liked :-) In this year, the chart was dominated by "Ol' Blue Eyes", one of the most respected song stylists of the 20th century, yet the biggest-selling single of the year (of any genre) was by an actual serving soldier..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- Support promotion on prose and table accessibility. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- All sources with a link are live and/or have an archive link
- Spot checks on 10 sources match what they are being cited for
- Assuming good faith on sources I do not have access to
Feedback:
- Consider adding the
{{Use mdy dates|June 2024}}
template to the top of the article under the short description in case anybody else adds references later on and they are not as careful as you've been - Ref 9 – Add
|publisher=[[Associated Press]]
and|url-access=subscription
- Ref 12 – Inconsistent formatting with refs 3 and 5. Recommend changing publisher to work.
- General works cited reference 4 – Joel Whitburn should be wikilinked here since they're wikilinked in the previous two works cited
Good stuff ChrisTheDude, as always. Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: - all done I think -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good, support! Hey man im josh (talk) 14:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pseud 14
- No further comments on prose. Support. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image review: Passed
- Images have alt texts
- Images are appropriately licensed
- Images have succinct captions and are relevant in the article. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aoba47
- I do not think "at number one" is necessary in this part (before being replaced at number one by Al Martino's "Spanish Eyes") as it can be easily understood from the overall context of the sentence. That and it would help with some of the repetition of the "number one" phrasing around this part.
- For the Staff Sgt. Barry Sadler, I think it would be best to spell out Sergeant instead of using the shortened version.
Wonderful work as always. I only have two very minor and nitpick-y comments, and once both are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FLC. Aoba47 (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Aoba47: - both done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for addressing everything. I support this FLC for promotion based on the prose. Aoba47 (talk) 23:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of soricines
Alright, mammal list #40 and the 5th and final subgroup of Eulipotyphlans: the subfamily Soricinae! It's... 150+ more shrews. They look identical to each other and to the ones in the previous shrew lists; turns out the smaller the mammal, the wider variety of species can coexist geographically, so there's as many minor variations on shrew species as there are members of every Carnivora family. They're pretty cute, I think, but not really super visually distinct from each other. If you've never seen one, it's because they're busy: shrews eat at least their own body weight in food every single day, so they're very busy vacuuming up all the bugs hiding under leaves on the forest floors. Unfortunately, this means they don't have a lot of time to pose for pictures, so, as in previous lists, the ones in Central America, southeast Asia, and the non-populated parts of China just don't have free-use pictures. As always, this list follows all the conventions we've built up over the last dozens of FLCs, and should be good to go. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 22:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Pseud 14
- Nothing to quibble and I see the wikilinks on the ecosystems you had mentioned in your prior nomination applied. Happy to support for promotion. Although a very minor observation (which I may be unfamiliar with), in the "Scientific name and subspecies" column, is there a reason why some scientists are in parenthetical while some are not? Pseud 14 (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Pseud 14: Yep, per binomial nomenclature, you do that when the original namer put the species in a different genus than it's currently included in - so e.g. the southern short-tailed shrew is currently Blarina carolinensis, but (Bachman, 1837) originally had it as Sorex carolinensis, and that's the official way to denote that, apparently. --PresN 00:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation and insight into it. Pseud 14 (talk) 00:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Pseud 14: Yep, per binomial nomenclature, you do that when the original namer put the species in a different genus than it's currently included in - so e.g. the southern short-tailed shrew is currently Blarina carolinensis, but (Bachman, 1837) originally had it as Sorex carolinensis, and that's the official way to denote that, apparently. --PresN 00:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I got nothing :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- MPGuy2824
- Most of the dates are in mdy format, except a few that are in ymd format. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
-
- Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- AK
- "soricine, or a red-toothed shrew" Comma unnecessary.
- "158 extant species" Maybe use living instead of extant to cut down on jargon.
- "the other 11" to "the other 11 genera"
- "prehistoric Soricinae species" to "prehistoric soricines"
- Tables, refs, and images look fine. AryKun (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @AryKun: Done, though I linked extant rather than changing to living- since we're talking about species, not individuals, "extant" is the right word for "not extinct", rather than living (vs. dead). --PresN 17:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on prose. AryKun (talk) 17:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @AryKun: Done, though I linked extant rather than changing to living- since we're talking about species, not individuals, "extant" is the right word for "not extinct", rather than living (vs. dead). --PresN 17:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey man im josh
- Source review:
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on 15 sources match what they are being cited for
Looks good. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Vegas Golden Knights draft picks
- Nominator(s): The Kip (contribs) 22:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having been inspired by @XR228, I've decided to nominate this for FL. After expanding the lead with prose and making some accessibility additions, I believe it successfully meets all FL criteria. The Kip (contribs) 22:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by comment
The article shouldn't be started off with "This is a complete list of...", per MOS:THISISALIST. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. The Kip (contribs) 23:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Lead image should not use forced pixel size, instead use the "upright" parameter, potentially with a multiplier e.g. "upright=1.3"
- I feel like ice hockey should be specifically mentioned/linked somewhere. Maybe mimic the opening of List of Seattle Kraken draft picks, also currently at FLC
- "2017 second-round pick Nicolas Hague has played the most games for Vegas of any draft picks" => "2017 second-round pick Nicolas Hague has played the most games for Vegas of any draft pick"
- "Wins, losses, ties, overtime losses and goals against average apply to goaltenders" - there's no column for ties.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- All taken care of. I'd removed ties from the chart a while back as VGK was founded long after their demise, but forgot to remove from that descriptor. The Kip (contribs) 18:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
- Use "background-color" instead of just "background" for the column headers. If you do not do so, the sorting icon is missing, which makes the page below what we expect for accessibility. You also have an extra exclamation point in the column text, just before "scope", that should be removed.
- The table needs a title for accessibility reasons
- It should be called out in some way, even via note, that the source uses "T/O" whereas you don't include ties. I understand the reason why, but I think it's good to call this out in some fashion.
- Change 2017 NHL Entry Draft to 2017 NHL entry draft in the lead and in the images where it's linked.
- Ref 10 – Add The Hockey News as the source
- Ref 6 – Wikilink Las Vegas Review-Journal
- General ref 1 – Change from publisher = <code>|publisher=The Internet Hockey Database</code> to <code>|website=[[HockeyDB]]</code>, based on the fact the Wiki page is called that
- You switch back and forth between referring to the team as Vegas or the Golden Knights, pick one and be consistent in the prose.
- If this is meant to be the entirety of the team's picks, why are the picks from the 2017 NHL expansion draft not included?
- Add
{{Use mdy dates|June 2024}}
to the top of the article under the short description so that dates in the references remain consistent if more are added and so they're auto formatted.
That's what I've got for now. Ping me when you reply please. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh just a note that I’m away from my laptop for the next day or two, but I’ll let you know when I’ve got these taken care of. Thanks for the feedback! The Kip (contribs) 21:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Kip: No worries, I typically don't edit on the weekend anyways. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh, I'll go through point by point:
- 1 is done
- For 2, I based it off the title from FL List of New York Islanders draft picks.
- Added a note regarding 3 that Hockey Ref includes ties, but they're not in the chart as Vegas was founded after their abolition.
- 4-7 are done
- For 8, I chose to refer to them as the Golden Knights (again going off the Islanders FL)
- Expansion draft picks aren't included with entry draft picks - this is more a precedence thing, and undoing this (either merging the two or renaming entry draft picks) would have to be a WP:IH-wide project (if not sports wikiprojects-wide - expansion drafts are universally treated as separate from "the" (entry) draft, as seen at Washington Wizards draft history or Jacksonville Jaguars draft history).
- 10 is done.
- The Kip (contribs) 05:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Kip: That's funny you link Jacksonville Jaguars draft history, it's on my to do list and I was heavily considering and leaning towards including the expansion draft picks. While not the same, I did include the extra drafts in Detroit Lions draft history's sublists. Granted there was no expansion draft, so it's a bit of a different situation. Never the less, I'll accept that the expansion draft won't be included, even if I do believe it to be relevant to the subject.
- I'm just checking with PresN whether you need exclamation points or not when declaring a scope, but otherwise, I think that's everything I've brought up addressed. I would like to see the second paragraph expanded a bit though.
- Any thoughts on a separate goaltenders section, similar to List of Detroit Red Wings draft picks? For what it's worth, I have no issue with the cells having a line through them, I think that makes sense. I also had no issues with the images being beside the table, I think that's a pretty standard thing to do. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, I thought so but confirmed it with PresN. Row scopes need to be declared with an exclamation point (
! scope="row"
) to be accessible.| scope="row"
is not acceptable for accessibility reasons. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]- @Hey man im josh as for the second paragraph - I copied it from other draft pages. I'm not entirely sure how it could be expanded, as I feel it summarizes the draft/lottery process fairly well. I'm personally not a fan of the separate goaltender section, as in my opinion it takes away from being a comprehensive list of picks. I also agree that the images should be next to the table, but I'm still somewhat concerned regarding the issues raised by Dajasj - that said, if that problem is overstated I'd be happy to move them back.
- Additionally, I'm having some issues regarding attempting to convert the table to
! scope="row"
- I'm attempting to duplicate the styling found on the Lions page of only the draft year being bolded, but for some reason, no matter what I do the years are both off-center and not bolded. The Kip (contribs) 20:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]- @The Kip: I'm on mobile right now but I wanted to give you a quick response about the issue. If you remove plainrowheaders (very first line at the top of the table) it should look like what you're aiming for when you add the exclamation point for the row scopes. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh Gotcha, all done now. Let me know if any other changes are needed, or if you think it's good to go! The Kip (contribs) 19:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh Gotcha, all done now. Let me know if any other changes are needed, or if you think it's good to go! The Kip (contribs) 19:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Kip: I'm on mobile right now but I wanted to give you a quick response about the issue. If you remove plainrowheaders (very first line at the top of the table) it should look like what you're aiming for when you add the exclamation point for the row scopes. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, I thought so but confirmed it with PresN. Row scopes need to be declared with an exclamation point (
MPGuy2824
- "Wins, losses, overtime losses and goals against average apply to goaltenders and are used only for players at that position." - why? Why not show winning/losing games for every player?
- It is very confusing to see only a bunch of dashes for some players. I guess this means that they didn't play for the team at all. It would be good if this was explained somehow. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824:
- Those statistics (and specifically W/L) are only recorded by the league for goaltenders, similar to how W/L are only recorded for pitchers in baseball.
- The "Key" section indicates that dashes indicate "does not apply," effectively meaning they never played NHL games - however, that's something of a given, considering the note above the table stating that it shows each player's statistical totals in the NHL.
- The Kip (contribs) 05:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You'll have to make the player's name as the header cell of every row. Right now the draft year is set as the header cell, but that's not really unique across all rows. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824 I'm not really sure if I follow. The Kip (contribs) 19:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hope the following tables make it clearer. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824 I'm not really sure if I follow. The Kip (contribs) 19:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You'll have to make the player's name as the header cell of every row. Right now the draft year is set as the header cell, but that's not really unique across all rows. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824:
Draft | Round | Player | Player stat |
---|---|---|---|
2017 | 1 | Cody Glass | 0 |
2017 | 2 | Player Two | 1 |
Draft | Round | Player | Player stat |
---|---|---|---|
2017 | 1 | Cody Glass | 0 |
2 | Player Two | 1 |
- @MPGuy2824:: There's no reason they can't use the draft column as the header cells, it's fairly standard and it's what I did in my draft related lists. They're welcome to change it up, as I know a lot of people do in various lists, but it's a personal preference thing from my understanding. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: MOS:DTAB states:
Because the row header and column header may be spoken before the data in each cell when navigating in table mode, it is necessary for the column headers and row headers to uniquely identify the column and row respectively.
One possible solution here is to have the draft year as a level-1 header with rowspans, and the name (or something else unique to the row) as a level-2 header. Possibly, the cells of the "Player" column can be styled to look like the other non-header cells. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]- @MPGuy2824 With all due respect, I'm not even sure if what you're asking to be done is possible for someone not overly well-versed in table coding. Especially considering many of the football lists promoted to FL in the recent past (such as the ones Josh has successfully improved), and while I'm biased as the nominator, this feels a tad excessive with respect to the FL criteria. The Kip (contribs) 09:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft | Round | Player | Player stat |
---|---|---|---|
2017 | 1 | Cody Glass | 0 |
2 | Player Two | 1 |
- This can be followed up with whatever styling you want to add to the player name cells to make it look like a normal cell.
- Necessary for FL: I quoted the relevant section from the MOS above. Next, to quote from WP:FLCR 5c,
Accessibility. It uses proper formating to be accessible to all readers.
I don't see how I can support promotion unless this issue is taken care of. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]- @MPGuy2824 Just an observer here, I think I edited the table according to your specifications. Take a look at the markup and tell me if I did, feel free to revert otherwise. ULPS (talk • contribs) 17:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ULPS: Not quite, but I've fixed it. The problem is that you can't just use '!' to set a header cell when the whole row is defined on one line. There's a way to do it and stay on one line, but the easier thing to do is to put the header cell on its own wikitext line. Then you see the second problem- the header cell formatting overrides the css shorthands like bgcolor, so you need to call them out explicitly with css styles. It's a bit of a pain. --PresN 19:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info! I'll keep it in mind for the future. ULPS (talk • contribs) 21:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ULPS: Not quite, but I've fixed it. The problem is that you can't just use '!' to set a header cell when the whole row is defined on one line. There's a way to do it and stay on one line, but the easier thing to do is to put the header cell on its own wikitext line. Then you see the second problem- the header cell formatting overrides the css shorthands like bgcolor, so you need to call them out explicitly with css styles. It's a bit of a pain. --PresN 19:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @MPGuy2824 Just an observer here, I think I edited the table according to your specifications. Take a look at the markup and tell me if I did, feel free to revert otherwise. ULPS (talk • contribs) 17:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This can be followed up with whatever styling you want to add to the player name cells to make it look like a normal cell.
- Again, this requires a level of knowledge of table formatting/programming that most users including myself simply do not have. As Josh has pointed out, plenty of recent sports articles have been promoted without that - I really do not understand why this one is being held to a unique standard. The Kip (contribs) 16:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weighing in here! There's a difference between this list and most other recent sports lists, and that's that the 'year' cell here is the same for multiple rows. For e.g. Josh's lists, there's one row per year. The reason this matters is for what MPGuy2824 said- the point of the row header cell is to "uniquely identify" the row. If every row is a single year, then the year uniquely identifies it. In this list, though, the year doesn't- the first year identifies 12 rows. Now, we don't always have to be strict on this- if it's still clear in context what's going on, then that's fine. But for this list, prefixing the audio of the table cells with the year isn't very clear. Now, do I strictly adhere to that? No, because it can be a pain to solve for non-technical editors in areas that don't put the unique cell as the first one in the row (like here, where we organize by year). But according to the letter of the rules, we should do better.
There's a few ways to do better! What a lot of areas do with tables like this is just make the unique thing be the row header- which in this case would be the player name. Even though that's not the first column in the table, it's allowed. You can also make a combination header that is unique- in this case, draft+pick, or draft+player. Of those two, draft+player is better, because "2017 61" doesn't make sense if you don't know that 61 is the pick number. The problem here, and one reason I use a light touch on pushing accessibility sometimes, is that making the player the header while preserving the formatting is a major pain. You need less-common table code formatting, and you need to have a bunch of raw css style code for every line. It's doable, but wikimedia could make the process simpler.
In any case, between ULPS and myself, it should be fine now. --PresN 19:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ULPS and @PresN, much appreciate your assistance. Hopefully this clears up any issues with the nom! The Kip (contribs) 05:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dajasj
- The image don't fit next to the table on smaller screens or screens that use Vector 2022 max width by default. So on desktops this creates huge white space, while on mobile it creates a lot to scroll past. I would recommend leaving out additional images.
- In the first column, the rows can be combined if they are from the same year right? It's confusing me, because I expect different links.
- Could it be possible to leave out "—" in every cell and clarify that empty cells means this did not apply. I think it would make the entire table less cluttered (especially because four columns are nearly always empty).
- Maybe it is my lack of knowledge on this topic, but the table suggests there are multiple goaltenders, yet the four right columns are empty for them and the introduction mentions only one? (Please ignore this if this comment was simply ignorant ;)) Dajasj (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dajasj:
- I've converted it to a gallery at the bottom - my concern with removal entirely is that the list then falls below the expectation for featured content to be adequately illustrated.
- They could be in theory - Ice hockey and basketball wikiproject precedence indicates they're individually linked though (see the Wizards and Islanders lists linked above). I assume it has something to do with accessibility.
- Again a precedence thing, though I disagree here - I feel that empty cells make the table look incomplete.
- All good, haha - Patera's the only goaltender to actually play for Vegas, hence the rest of the drafted goalies' stats being empty. Zhukov and Kooy never signed with the team, while Saville, Vikman, Lindbom, and Whitehead are all still prospects who haven't yet reached the NHL.
- The Kip (contribs) 05:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- One option to deal with some of the long line of emdashes, is to replace them all with a colspan saying "Drafted but didn't play for the Knights" for every such player. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- With the sheer amount of players on the chart that'd apply to, I feel like that wouldn't be visually appealing. The Kip (contribs) 19:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- One option to deal with some of the long line of emdashes, is to replace them all with a colspan saying "Drafted but didn't play for the Knights" for every such player. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dajasj, just to clarify - do you support? The Kip (contribs) 02:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes Dajasj (talk) 08:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dajasj:
EN-Jungwon
- Archive all the sources
- Ref 3 and 4 are dead
-- EN-Jungwon 13:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @EN-Jungwon I've done so. While 3 and 4's raw links are dead, they're successfully archived and accessible - I don't see why they can't be used as a result. The Kip (contribs) 02:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I was rewieing this version of the page where the url status parameter of ref 3 and 4 were set to live. When I commented that those references were dead I was implying that the url status needed to be changed. I should've made that clear. But it looks like Hey man im josh already fixed that in this edit. Since my comments have been addressed I'll go ahead and support promotion. -- EN-Jungwon 02:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Gotcha, sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks for the support! The Kip (contribs) 03:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I was rewieing this version of the page where the url status parameter of ref 3 and 4 were set to live. When I commented that those references were dead I was implying that the url status needed to be changed. I should've made that clear. But it looks like Hey man im josh already fixed that in this edit. Since my comments have been addressed I'll go ahead and support promotion. -- EN-Jungwon 02:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source review from Dylan620
Because this listicle only has 12 sources, I decided to check them all.
- Unless I'm missing something, ref 3 does not verify that the entry draft occurs in June of every year.
- Per ref 2, a couple players' names are misspelled: Maksim Zhukov and Stanislav Demin
- No other concerns with source-to-text integrity; all other refs verified.
- Source titles should consistently be in either sentence case or title case; the listicle currently employs a mixture of the two.
- There were a couple instances of {{cite web}} where National Hockey League is listed as a website instead of a publisher, which results in the NHL being incorrectly italicized. Other than this point and the one above, source formatting looks good.
- All sources appear reliable.
Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 01:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dylan620:
- Agreed, and I can't seem to find anything in text that specifies June - as such, I've changed it to "off-season," which I feel is general enough.
- Corrected the names. Slava's been a common name in some sources, but I can't find enough to be definitive.
- Fixed the sentence/title case for most refs - left title case in place for the "Draft History" or "Hockey Operations Guidelines"-type ones where it feels more natural, but changed to sentence for the others
- Fixed the website/publisher discrepancy.
- The Kip (contribs) 04:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good to me now – support! Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 22:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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